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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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this is gonna be a fascinating episode

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of the power cast we'll be talking to

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Ryan Skinner he's co-author of a new

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book called skinwalker ranch

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no-trespassing true stories and secret

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files with dl wallace and a little bit

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later we'll be hearing from a couple of

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our listeners of course old friend gog

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Makai another guy who uses the name Ryan

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but we'll call him by his middle name

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he's a regular in our forum so we don't

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have the multiple Ryan's like we have

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the multiple Chris's that occur every so

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often before we get started with Ryan

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and why the mention something we have as

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a forum topic that may interest a lot of

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people especially in light of the fact

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that last week we had Kevin Randle on

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the show and he mentioned for a bit

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the mj-12 controversy so somebody starts

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to threaten our forums mentioning Bill

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Moore as to whether he's responsible for

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a good portion of UFO history certainly

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he's one of those responsible for the

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early revelations about Roswell and then

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mj-12 but what else Chris I mean you

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know build war is very he's just an

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intriguing character he shows up in all

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the wrong places at the right time and

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of course his big Mia culpa in the late

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90s or late 80s rather at the Las Vegas

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MUFON conference really dropped a lot of

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jaws and he's really been kind of

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persona persona non-grata ever since I

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have not seen his name really relating

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to any sort of current activity we

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didn't know one person that's been in

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touch with him but you know he's

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literally dropped off the map I'm not

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even sure where he's located now I know

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Jim Mosely was in touch with him but

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since Jim Mosley is not in touch with

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anybody anymore unless he communicates

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with us from the afterlife where do you

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go with that I don't know I think other

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than Roswell

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I can't think that he had all that great

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an influence well yeah he was involved

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in the bennewitz affair which is a very

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important case number one and number two

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his involvement is is rather nefarious

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he really helped AFO

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Air Force Office of intelligence - -

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well inadvertently drive Paul bennewitz

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crazy well that - I'm thinking in terms

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of major UFL developments that have

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existed for a long time and have

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impacted UFO history Roswell yes

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bennewitz is a secondary issue MJ the

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Dulce base gene sure is all derived from

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that original that's true a phone call

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that bennewitz made - to Kirtland so

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sure but is that something we're still

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really worried so much about we talk

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about Dulce occasionally we've had shows

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upon it but it doesn't necessarily mean

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it's a major issue of UFO history

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Roswell is but Roswell research was

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picked up by a lot of other people so

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whatever bill Moore did anything he may

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have produced has been independently

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confirmed or not confirmed so I don't

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know I guess he had an impact to some

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degree because of the things he was

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engaged in in the 1980s but on the

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long-term I don't know well you know

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it's a big subject and its worldwide you

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can't really just look at American cases

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exclusively and and hope to you know

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figure anything out it's it's a

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worldwide phenomenon and bill Moore's

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involvement in the Roswell incident I

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think could be likened to some sort of

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possible involvement in disinformation

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similar with the Dulce story but again

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it's a huge subject and I don't really

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see his role as being you know historic

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in any sense of the word of course

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Roswell and Dulce are part of the

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lexicon now and in real buzzwords out

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there there's a lot of misinformation I

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think floating around out there about

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these cases which were balls that kind

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of were started rolling by Bill Moore

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and others Richard Doty of course with

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the Dulce material Stan Freedman

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obviously was involved with the original

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contact of Jesse Marcel and did he seem

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to have glommed onto some interesting

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scenarios back in the late 70s through

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the 80s but like I said since 88 89 he's

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disappeared Wow and then of course you

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were looking at another subject here and

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we're not going to get into it this week

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but we did pass the June 24th

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anniversary 60

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years since Kenneth Arnold had his

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sighting kind of wondering here if

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Kenneth Arnold sighting had not been

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reported or given the amount of

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publicity it did receive where would the

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UFO field be it's interesting ya have

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been just a sideshow would we be here

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doing this or maybe doing something

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where you can actually earn a living

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let's get to our guest Ryan Skinner you

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have done a lot of ongoing

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investigations into the skinwalker ranch

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why do you keep on keeping on

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because the stories keep pouring in from

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the ranch and the ranch area you

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mentioned a lot of historic cases that

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have come and passed and this this

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really is a story that's still being

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written and I think that part fascinates

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me we have a hot spot right now that

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that's active and it's uh producing more

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and more unusual phenomena every time

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every time I check my email I get a new

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story so it fascinates me every time you

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check your email once a week I get a new

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story about once a week the forum's

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constantly updated was something going

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on out there and my own experiences that

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have mentioned in the past on the show

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and I've had my own encounters that have

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confirmed the high level of oddities

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going on out there yeah and it's not

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just the ranch either

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as Ryan points out his new book you want

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a basin in that whole area is just

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filled with all sorts of bizarre

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occurrences most of which don't ever see

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the light of day outside of the local

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region there the book really is titled a

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skinwalker ranch I think that's kind of

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where I cut my teeth was on that subject

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however I've expanded it to include the

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stories really of the whole Four Corners

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region but but really trying to fix it a

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little bit or narrow or target in on the

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ranch and the surrounding properties and

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surrounding Uintah Basin but but that

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region for whatever had some theories

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but the region in general is a plethora

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of experiences and a wealth of stories

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still going on Brian let's go into that

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background why do you think so many

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strange things are focused in this

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particular region well initially

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starting out I was just

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fixated on on the ranch in general just

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you know the ranch is the hot spot

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there's obviously there's the assumption

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is there some sort of portal on the

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ranch which they're most likely is some

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sort of rift in time or space or multi

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dimensional wormhole going on out there

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but but the more I delved into the topic

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and the more people I've connected with

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there's multiple portals that are out

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there that are all potentially

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interconnected but but they're all kind

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of housed in this four corners region

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and uh well gee what was his story I got

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a little off track there what was the

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question well it was about what is there

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about that area that attracts it but

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you're explaining about the poles this

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is almost like the TV show I've

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mentioned this before primeval ever see

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that the British TV show where they have

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these anomalies or portals that would

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appear spontaneously allowing

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transportation back and forth in that

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case it was a time-travel stick I think

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but yeah dinosaurs exactly always

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dinosaurs and it was always a different

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dinosaur every week you wondered why

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only one dinosaur or one family would

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venture forth in the following week a

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different family was not the same family

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just coming back every week I don't

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think they had the budget to do multiple

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animals so that's pretty expensive well

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you know what it is look what it cost to

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make Jurassic Park and the movies you're

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doing a TV show you've got one to

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hundreds the budget if that so you can't

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do it but seriously speaking writing

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what what's unique about that region and

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there is one unique thing about that

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region is its is it was the stomping

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ground of the pueblos and the anastasi

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Native Americans and and also the the

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basket Weaver's as well and that that

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was their home region that was their

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their territory and for whatever reason

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that areas of all across America I in my

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experiences there are multiple portals

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in that region and similar occurrences

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with with what's going on with out there

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with not only the skinwalker but UFO

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sightings

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within within their territory and that's

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the common that's the common bond that

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I'm coming up with that perhaps

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something happened in a gin time where

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they tapped into I and this is all

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speculation and I do not speculate in

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the book but uh perhaps they did tap

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into some sort of spiritual doorway or

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open something up that that's still open

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to this day

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podcast.com we have Ryan Skinner joining

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us he is involved in a new book called

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skinwalker ranch no trespassing and

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we're discussing the window areas or

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portal areas that seemed to attract an

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unusual number of strange events in and

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around the Four Corners region one of

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our listeners and we're to call him

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Shane because his name is also Ryan is

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listening in and he may have a question

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to drop in every so often a little bit

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later we'll hear from God's Makai so

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Shane welcome aboard and he has no

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response Shane we can hear you okay okay

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now just tell our listeners again what's

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the name that you use in our forums so

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they recognize you well it's our ygy

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it's kind of an odd name it's I don't

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know how really to say it i ry g y w a

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anyway guys rig ewok yeah okay the odd

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ricky hua is very listening you have to

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put okay right i might get back to these

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window areas now however they emerged

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how wide in terms of square miles is

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four corners can either your Kris define

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that well it depends on whose definition

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you want to go by of course any time you

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hear the word basket weaver Anasazi

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these are all considered by the Hopi

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Indians to be

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Hopi and Anasazi is actually the Danai

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word or the Navajo word for the ancient

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Hopi which means ancient enemy so it's

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kind of an insult if you're ever in

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mixed company and have a Hopi around you

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don't ever use the word Anasazi well

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yeah now now of course you can't say

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Redskins either no and also the Hopi

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word for Danae translates to head

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pounder so I'm not even sure what that

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word is I'm not quite sure I'd ever use

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it because I do visit the Navajo

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Reservation quite a bit on my job but

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the Four Corners area if you look at it

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from the Navajo description it it is

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encompassed by the four cardinal

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mountains so the four sacred mountains

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which will be Mount Taylor which is just

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west of Albuquerque would be the

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mountain of the south Blanca peak up in

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the San Luis Valley is considered the

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real mountain of the east which is the

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place where all thought originates in

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the the Danai tradition above Durango's

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Hesperus which is the mountain of the

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north and then the San Francisco Peaks

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just up the road for me here outside of

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Flagstaff would be considered the

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mountain of sacred mountains of the West

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now any of that land that's encompassed

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within that those four cardinal point

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mountains would be considered the four

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corners when you get up into the Uintah

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base and it gets a little bit more

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tenuous up there I don't think the Hopi

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really spent much time up there but that

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again is one of those few areas in the

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country where you had regional groups of

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Indians overlapping you had some of the

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Great Basin Indians obviously the u-2

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Paiute you had other nomadic Indians

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passing through there from the Northern

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Rockies the Shoshone I think came down

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you had Indians coming all the way from

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from out west the pipes and in others so

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impossibly there were four ways up into

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the area by the Hopi N and some Danai

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but the de neige of course we're late

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arrivals the Utes had been there for

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thousands of years or many hundreds of

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years let's put it that way and the de

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neige arrived about a hundred years

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before the Spanish so there's one theory

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that suggests that they were chased out

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of Mongolia by Genghis Khan in 12 and

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1300s and arrived in the southwest

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in the 1400s 1500s well I'm trying to

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understand here though do we see here

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for example that the presence of so many

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Indians in this region is what attracted

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or created the existence of these

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portals but before Ryan answers that I'd

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like to chime in here a little bit that

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area is was not really you didn't see

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that many people there it's it's really

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a difficult country to live in

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especially south into the lower Uintah

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Basin and parts of around the San Rafael

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swell you're gonna see most of your

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settlement or activity around the rivers

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and once you get in between those rivers

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it gets really hot not steer and dry out

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there so as far as the portals being

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created by the Indians I don't think

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that that would be the case I think they

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would stumble on these places observe

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them and either avoid them or maybe the

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medicine man or the the elders or the

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the ones in the medicine societies might

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attempt to try to utilize whatever types

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of activity was going on there or try to

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communicate with it but for the most

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part these places were spooky and and

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they tended to shy away from them what

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have you found in your research right

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there is some truth to what you told me

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I have spoken with several it's working

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with several tribal members from from

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the u tribe and they've they've laid to

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me that one way of finding though

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potential way of finding these portals

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is some of the some of the older books

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would actually lay out the trails that

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were taken by some of the ancient tribal

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members and based on those trails you

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look where they deviate significantly

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and and the theory is that that they're

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trying to walk around these these portal

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areas they're trying to they're taking

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the left turn or a 90 degree angle a

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rate where they know forbidden land

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would be or or where one of these

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portals might be open opening up and

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they kind of clued me in or hinted to me

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that if I really want to find these

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you'll really study these old maps of

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their the routes that they would take

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and look for that deviation on the on

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the other hand I've also heard a lot of

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stories of especially the practice of

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creating a skinwalker

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and some of the the ancient religious

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practices were not necessarily all

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altruistic and and positive there was

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and this is not the case in general of

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the religion but there what really was

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some horrific things that had happened

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there was some what what we might

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consider nowadays you know black arts or

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witchcraft like well I guess modern

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Western culture would label as possibly

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witchcraft like practices and I don't

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know if I again it's speculation if that

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was worked in conjunction with what like

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what Chris had said discovering one of

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these portals and working with it and

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somehow tying into the the oddness that

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would come out of it or if the earth

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that actually spawned the portal itself

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and these things that were coming out of

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it that that parts unknown but I do know

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there was some sort of recognition by

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the tribes or again I don't know for

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sure I can't say that but from my

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studies I'm finding a correlation

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between these ancient tribes and their

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recognition of these portals or

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acknowledgement/recognition

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and use of them one interesting thing on

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the ranch itself that I don't know it

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wasn't really pointed out too much my

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first book it's discussed a little bit

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in the second book is there are several

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structures ancient structures right on

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skinwalker ranch and the surrounding

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properties and they appear to be like

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webelo type mud and brick type

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structures that have just been ravaged

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by time and the elements and I always I

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always thought that was kind of

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fascinating that that may be evidence of

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of one of these ancient tribals practice

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in that area maybe they're my idiot area

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maybe they were monitoring activity just

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like big lows will watchtower exactly

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now we got Bigelow's towered over here

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all right so if I travel to the four

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corners and I've never been there I know

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that Chris considers me to be a hermit I

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do get around occasionally occasionally

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I leave the starships lair and I go out

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and about I try to discover things I go

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to this region anywhere there would I

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feel what I sense anything different or

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just be whatever

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is we'll figure this out more we have

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Ryan Skinner joining us we have we call

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them Wrigley wah from our forums or Shan

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lurking in the background you'll hear

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from GOx Makai shortly with gene and

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independently leading the way for the

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nation compelling talk for every

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healer Academy hi this is Don Ecker and

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you are tuned in to the para cast let me

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tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

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here that you probably won't hear

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anywhere else hear that george ryan

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skinner i phrases complicated questions

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so i get into the four corners anywhere

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where all this stuff is happening what i

635
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sense anything strange well it depends

636
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on you as a individual what you're kind

637
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of what the purpose is and what you're

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seeking from your i guess it's kind of

639
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corny but from your life journey I guess

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00:27:37,419 --> 00:27:36,020
if you're out there as a disbeliever

641
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you're gonna remain a disbeliever going

642
00:27:41,019 --> 00:27:38,659
into it and if you're if you're

643
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searching for somewhat of a mystical

644
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experience or an enlightening experience

645
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I believe you're gonna find it if you

646
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dedicate the time and just start if

647
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you're in that Four Corners region look

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where the city is and look where the

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desert is the less houses you see just

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keep walking in that direction spend

651
00:28:00,700 --> 00:27:59,600
some time out there you're gonna you're

652
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gonna run into something fascinating

653
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that'll really blow your mind I think

654
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:06,620
depends on your level of sensitivity as

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well people have natural tendencies to

656
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:14,429
be more sensitive to subtle energies

657
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,940
other people are like walking megaliths

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they you know you could bounce things

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off them and then it would barely you

660
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:25,220
know phase them so if you're a bonehead

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00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:29,460
in thick-skulled and and you are one of

662
00:28:33,379 --> 00:28:30,950
the millions of people in this country

663
00:28:35,899 --> 00:28:33,389
walking around in a state of waking coma

664
00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:35,909
no you're not gonna feel anything but if

665
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:37,470
you have any sort of sensitivities at

666
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all it would be impossible for you to go

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to any one over thousands of spots and

668
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and not feel something I said I couldn't

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agree more with what he what he just

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said it would almost be impossible if

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you are somewhat intuitive there's

672
00:28:59,359 --> 00:28:57,210
something almost magical about about

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that region and I I don't live in the

674
00:29:05,869 --> 00:29:02,610
area I live in Wisconsin and each time

675
00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:05,879
I'm out there it's it's it's like being

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00:29:11,239 --> 00:29:07,100
in another world

677
00:29:13,399 --> 00:29:11,249
really creepy I mean it's spooky there

678
00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:13,409
are places there that I really felt

679
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:16,460
uncomfortable you know I'm not afraid of

680
00:29:20,749 --> 00:29:18,710
pretty much you know much of anything

681
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,759
but I'll tell you I went down there and

682
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:22,559
I was looking over my shoulder in a

683
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,690
couple of spots out there I've done a

684
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:26,159
lot of fossil hunting and other things

685
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,529
tramping around there unrelated to the

686
00:29:32,779 --> 00:29:30,720
Sherman ranch but there are areas that

687
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:32,789
are that really kind of creeped you out

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00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:35,610
I must say all right that's what I was

689
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:38,369
getting to there electricity in the air

690
00:29:44,509 --> 00:29:40,860
something creeps you out do we assume

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00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:44,519
these portals of their full time or do

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00:29:48,369 --> 00:29:46,169
they just appear occasionally then

693
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:48,379
that's when you get these strange events

694
00:29:55,489 --> 00:29:52,320
can we make any assumption like that are

695
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:55,499
you asking I'm not sure either one but

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00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:56,100
you Ryan

697
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,610
my belief and my experience and from the

698
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,440
stories I've collected is that these

699
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,840
things operate somewhat on a on a cycle

700
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:05,700
they're cyclical they're they're not

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00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:09,480
necessarily always open your probability

702
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:12,690
of again this is just my personal I

703
00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:14,279
don't have all the answers and I want to

704
00:30:17,779 --> 00:30:16,350
state that immediately but but I've

705
00:30:18,980 --> 00:30:17,789
collected a lot of stories I'm seeing

706
00:30:20,539 --> 00:30:18,990
some similarities I'm starting to

707
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:20,549
connect the dots over after all these

708
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:23,970
years and we are seeing I am seeing a

709
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,310
correlation between the time of day

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00:30:32,050 --> 00:30:28,320
it seems to be eight o'clock to around

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eleven o'clock at night that the

712
00:30:38,780 --> 00:30:35,910
activity seems to peak also right around

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00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:38,790
3:00 4:00 in the morning until about

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00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:40,950
5:30 in the morning so almost like a

715
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:43,410
window open door opens and closes around

716
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:48,150
at that time the early fall seems to -

717
00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:50,820
also for whatever reason the activity

718
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:54,780
seems to peak around that time and from

719
00:30:57,890 --> 00:30:55,980
what I've heard from multiple sources

720
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:57,900
including some of the some of Bigelow's

721
00:31:02,270 --> 00:31:00,360
own people is every 10 years

722
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:02,280
you know the activity really spikes up

723
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:04,650
and then seems to to die down to a

724
00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:06,450
trickle but it's not true that the door

725
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,520
you know it's as if as if the door is

726
00:31:12,290 --> 00:31:10,260
just left open just enough for the light

727
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:12,300
to creep through at night I mean there's

728
00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:13,740
there's always something coming through

729
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:17,040
this thing but but but but when it's

730
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:19,020
fully open it's all hell's break-in

731
00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:21,960
loose it's it's like you're not what is

732
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:24,750
that a HP Lovecraft kind of story right

733
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,530
so so looking at this tenure of

734
00:31:31,550 --> 00:31:29,760
potential tenure cycle we should be

735
00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:31,560
going into a cycle right now I'm

736
00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:35,190
sneaking around 2016-2017 I'm kind of

737
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:37,470
well he started but he got on the ranch

738
00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:41,010
when in 29 1995 oh thank goodness

739
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:42,750
I thought he bought it in 96 but they

740
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:46,050
learned about it 95 yeah well with the

741
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:47,100
next couple of years they'll be

742
00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:49,050
interesting up there I started going

743
00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:50,790
there in 2006 when I had you know my

744
00:31:54,410 --> 00:31:52,830
most dramatic encounters right and it

745
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:54,420
has died down quite a bit

746
00:31:58,670 --> 00:31:56,130
over the last few years I've still had

747
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:58,680
some amazing experiences but nothing as

748
00:32:04,580 --> 00:32:00,600
dramatically as intense as what I was as

749
00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:04,590
what was going on in 2006-2007 yeah well

750
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:07,320
in a resurgence in 2009 you had the dog

751
00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:11,370
man encounter on you know up in Forth

752
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:14,160
Dushane I think in December 2009 now

753
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:16,440
you've got done this before but looking

754
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:20,610
back at it now in 2014 just very briefly

755
00:32:26,290 --> 00:32:23,030
what do you think is the most intriguing

756
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:26,300
frightening outrageous encounter you had

757
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:29,490
sardine were asking me yes there also

758
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,570
you Ryan

759
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:33,600
except this because I heard Shane asking

760
00:32:36,890 --> 00:32:35,010
a question in the background I didn't

761
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:36,900
know if I think and if you got a

762
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:38,580
question let's ask it after this go

763
00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:40,140
ahead Ryan okay

764
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:41,820
most dramatic experience I had is that

765
00:32:46,670 --> 00:32:44,970
the question yes yeah I detailed that a

766
00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:46,680
little bit on the last show by far and

767
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:49,680
large it's one night I was you know the

768
00:32:52,580 --> 00:32:50,760
cat's really on the bag I don't have to

769
00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:52,590
dance around the issue I have trespassed

770
00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:55,230
on the ranch and surrounding properties

771
00:33:00,020 --> 00:32:57,420
I really don't recommend anyone else

772
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:00,030
doing that for a lot of various reasons

773
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,410
first of all you don't want to be you

774
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:03,120
know you're gonna have a real bad day of

775
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:05,100
security catches you you're gonna lots

776
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:07,080
of problems that I don't even want to

777
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:08,820
get into but we were let me ask you a

778
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:10,380
question just to interrupt and you can

779
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:11,700
be brief about it because you've

780
00:33:17,270 --> 00:33:13,980
mentioned it before security ever catch

781
00:33:21,310 --> 00:33:17,280
you that's one of the topics I can't

782
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:21,320
talk about I know it I know of another

783
00:33:27,820 --> 00:33:24,120
researchers will say that did have a

784
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,830
close encounter with security they had a

785
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:30,480
resulted in guns being pulled and people

786
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:33,450
being chased throughout the night and

787
00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:35,280
we're talking Chris has been out there

788
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:36,750
in that desert and that's not that's not

789
00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:39,210
a place it's like your honor it's a real

790
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:41,160
extremely rocky dangerous kind of

791
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:44,520
terrain and for anyone to have a full

792
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:46,530
gear researcher out there with with full

793
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,140
gear backpack cameras tripods everything

794
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:51,120
else to be running through the middle of

795
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:54,300
the desert with with an ex-military card

796
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:56,340
with a loaded gun chasing after that

797
00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:00,240
researcher it's it's kind of make for a

798
00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:02,190
bad night real quick yeah I I wouldn't

799
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:05,430
recommend and that's a reality that's

800
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:06,690
reality what you're doing out there I

801
00:34:10,940 --> 00:34:08,250
mean this is no different in some ways

802
00:34:12,980 --> 00:34:10,950
than crossing the line over at area 51 I

803
00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:12,990
mean it sounds like a fun party or

804
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:15,390
whatever to catch the UFOs and spend

805
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,010
your night out there but the reality the

806
00:34:21,139 --> 00:34:18,960
reality is you know if you get caught

807
00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:21,149
you're you're gonna be in jail and and

808
00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:22,860
the process of being caught you could

809
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:24,750
you could be pretty physically

810
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:27,810
manhandled in the process it's just like

811
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:30,210
24 where they capture somebody and they

812
00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:32,040
beat the hell out of them yeah that's

813
00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:33,840
probably that's exactly the assumption

814
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:35,159
that's that's what I've heard actually

815
00:34:41,090 --> 00:34:37,350
from the guards themselves that I've

816
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:41,100
talked to offer I mean notnot not in the

817
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,740
act of being pursued that I don't know

818
00:34:47,659 --> 00:34:46,320
about anyway but I have talked to the

819
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,669
guards you know you know during the

820
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:50,159
daylight at the fence and they're

821
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:52,200
itching for a reason you know they sit

822
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:53,280
there all night they're not in they're

823
00:34:55,220 --> 00:34:53,639
not pee

824
00:34:57,049 --> 00:34:55,230
therefore the well they are paid for the

825
00:34:58,789 --> 00:34:57,059
paranormal in the document but they're

826
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,799
not they're mostly interested in doing

827
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:00,000
what they're what they're paid to do and

828
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:01,529
what they've been trained to do through

829
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:04,200
the military and that's you know catch

830
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,609
somebody doing something wrong knock

831
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:08,000
them to the ground and cuff them up and

832
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:10,740
yes that would make the to looking for a

833
00:35:14,539 --> 00:35:12,180
reason to pull that pepper spray and to

834
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:14,549
beat the crap out of you yeah those guys

835
00:35:16,809 --> 00:35:16,200
are bored out of their gourds up and

836
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:16,819
bored

837
00:35:21,259 --> 00:35:19,500
that's right so any sort of excitement

838
00:35:23,539 --> 00:35:21,269
is is gonna be a highlight of their week

839
00:35:26,269 --> 00:35:23,549
or whatever two-week period that they I

840
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:26,279
think spend up there at a time they all

841
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:28,140
have the pail of water to waterboard you

842
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:32,700
do they all right we don't wanna get

843
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:34,650
into waterboarding well how about how

844
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:36,210
about the cowboy way where they caught

845
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:38,190
the guy and they trust him up and then

846
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:40,410
had a hungry baby calf approached him as

847
00:35:46,539 --> 00:35:45,720
they pulled down his pants Oh whacking

848
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:46,549
people

849
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:49,849
well that's wacky peepee definitely been

850
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:51,930
well I don't know one again tonight

851
00:35:56,539 --> 00:35:53,730
we're getting very grisly here this is

852
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:56,549
not the grisly cast this is it's a

853
00:36:00,559 --> 00:35:58,410
grisly place man and Ryan out of

854
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,569
everybody that I've talked to has

855
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:02,400
probably spent more time up there than

856
00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:05,339
anyone else and and you know there are

857
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:07,109
certain areas I know that Ryan does not

858
00:36:12,049 --> 00:36:09,000
want to get into because it's it gets

859
00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:12,059
kind of dicey but in the book I've

860
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,630
noticed Ryan that you've exposed some

861
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:17,339
documents in there that I find very

862
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:20,250
intriguing including the the document on

863
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:22,710
the the 2009 report that I mentioned

864
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:26,160
prior about the dog man you know what

865
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:28,170
let's stop it right here now let's go

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into what documents were talking about

867
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in that book

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Ryan Skinner joins us we have Shane

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lurking he may have a question or two

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we'll get to that and Gong's Mekhi

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[Music]

974
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okay

975
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:19,950
in skinwalker ranch it's private

976
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:22,800
property you don't want to be caught by

977
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:25,560
these ex-military types who work for

978
00:41:30,260 --> 00:41:27,960
Blackwater or something over there

979
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:30,270
they haven't hired Blackwater have they

980
00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:33,150
Ryan I know they hired directly out of

981
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:35,430
the air force you had to have a

982
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:37,470
top-secret clearance a lot of these guys

983
00:41:42,590 --> 00:41:39,710
were military police in the Air Force

984
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:42,600
some of them were stationed at nuclear

985
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:47,250
silos but I've also heard in recent

986
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:49,800
years that they may have they may have

987
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:52,110
switched to eye care I think it is

988
00:41:56,330 --> 00:41:53,940
Blackwater to one of those the same

989
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:56,340
firms that the government uses to hire

990
00:42:01,460 --> 00:41:59,460
their security possibly as a result of

991
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:01,470
myself I mean there I think there may

992
00:42:04,610 --> 00:42:03,780
have been a lot of loose lips well

993
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:04,620
that's where you get all your

994
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:07,050
information that's right if that's the

995
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:09,480
case you know that that would change the

996
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,490
game dramatically that's that's the

997
00:42:15,350 --> 00:42:13,560
rumor I've heard in your book you focus

998
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:15,360
a lot of course about the background of

999
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:18,270
Robert II Bigelow and the fact that he's

1000
00:42:23,330 --> 00:42:20,820
so much involved in aerospace and his

1001
00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:23,340
involvement in the skinwalker ranch but

1002
00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:26,070
he made his money from hotels right yeah

1003
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:29,070
yeah pretty smart about it real estate

1004
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:30,690
you know he's in the market at a good

1005
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:34,710
time I again I think the Kris would

1006
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,910
probably be able to explain his

1007
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:37,800
background better than I would

1008
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:41,730
Bigelow Bigelow Suites I think he did he

1009
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:43,380
sell I think he sold the chain did

1010
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:45,030
pretty well on that yeah the budget

1011
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:47,490
suites but I get the I get the

1012
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:49,560
impression his his targets were were a

1013
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:51,330
lot more lofty you know he was always

1014
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,250
looking to to space the entire time so

1015
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:55,800
it was more of a launching pad Bigelow

1016
00:43:01,100 --> 00:42:58,170
Suites was for his uh aerospace

1017
00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:01,110
endeavors and that's what he's doing

1018
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:02,540
right now

1019
00:43:09,730 --> 00:43:06,570
now just to focus on this more he no

1020
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:09,740
longer owns skinwalker does he he

1021
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:11,940
definitely still owned skinwalker oh he

1022
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:14,610
does yeah I heard he didn't yet he he is

1023
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,260
contracted with the government in the

1024
00:43:20,660 --> 00:43:19,140
past for skinwalker but he is a he is

1025
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:20,670
the owner of skinwalker it's it's on

1026
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:22,380
I've even checked with the realtor's

1027
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,520
recently and Bigelow properties is the

1028
00:43:30,609 --> 00:43:28,160
current owner of the property

1029
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:30,619
you know when I looked at his bio on

1030
00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:33,529
Wikipedia Robert Bigelow it's strange

1031
00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:37,700
for example it says as of 1965 Bigelow

1032
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:40,460
was married and had one child so what

1033
00:43:45,999 --> 00:43:42,940
has happened in the intervening years

1034
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:46,009
this guy is mysterious that's kind of

1035
00:43:52,089 --> 00:43:48,710
have a blacked out past doesn't it yeah

1036
00:43:53,650 --> 00:43:52,099
be great to get him on the show that's

1037
00:43:56,349 --> 00:43:53,660
your assignment should you decide to

1038
00:43:58,089 --> 00:43:56,359
accept it Chris and Brian to get rotten

1039
00:44:02,079 --> 00:43:58,099
well I'll have George nap along to hold

1040
00:44:03,089 --> 00:44:02,089
his hand don't think he needs anyone to

1041
00:44:07,509 --> 00:44:03,099
hold his hand

1042
00:44:09,009 --> 00:44:07,519
I'd be tuning in for that did you find

1043
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:09,019
out anything in researching this book

1044
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:11,930
about Bigelow that we didn't know or be

1045
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,089
surprised about the focus is not on

1046
00:44:17,890 --> 00:44:16,400
Bigelow on this book the focus was

1047
00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:17,900
really the stories of the region and

1048
00:44:21,970 --> 00:44:19,880
right but the reason I'm in the

1049
00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:21,980
documents themselves let's talk about

1050
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:23,720
these documents okay how did you get

1051
00:44:28,989 --> 00:44:26,930
these documents I again the topic I

1052
00:44:31,299 --> 00:44:28,999
can't discuss I definitely can't discuss

1053
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,309
over the phone or anything sorry but

1054
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:34,160
okay so you've got the documents what do

1055
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,130
they reveal hmm I guess the mindset of

1056
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:39,200
Bigelow one company in regards to

1057
00:44:44,589 --> 00:44:42,670
skinwalker ranch you know the company's

1058
00:44:47,470 --> 00:44:44,599
policy what they've learned what they

1059
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:47,480
know what they don't know a little bit

1060
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:49,910
of insight into what they're know not so

1061
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:52,910
much but what they're looking for okay

1062
00:44:57,970 --> 00:44:55,400
so what else you tell us having gotten

1063
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:57,980
these documents okay what are they

1064
00:45:01,630 --> 00:45:00,140
looking for why they expecting what do

1065
00:45:03,249 --> 00:45:01,640
they reveal in these documents you guys

1066
00:45:04,210 --> 00:45:03,259
mentioned the dog man case I mean what

1067
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,220
was what was your question regarding

1068
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:06,319
that or what was your interest in in

1069
00:45:12,099 --> 00:45:09,950
that report which is fascinating well

1070
00:45:15,099 --> 00:45:12,109
just you know from my understanding

1071
00:45:19,630 --> 00:45:15,109
again this is second third even possibly

1072
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:19,640
fourth hand but that our team a duo of

1073
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:24,049
private investigators was hired to

1074
00:45:29,259 --> 00:45:26,930
interview witnesses of a particular

1075
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:29,269
event that occurred I think December of

1076
00:45:34,779 --> 00:45:32,210
2009 if I'm not mistaken I'm just going

1077
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:34,789
on shared memory here but but from what

1078
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:39,430
I can recall this you know humanoid

1079
00:45:43,059 --> 00:45:41,630
appearing creature with a dog

1080
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,069
face almost like something out of an

1081
00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:45,440
Egyptian hieroglyph of Anubis or

1082
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:49,549
something it was seen dashing around the

1083
00:45:54,099 --> 00:45:52,490
fort dashain area where they were where

1084
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:54,109
the actual reservation

1085
00:46:00,009 --> 00:45:56,930
part of this scenario is located and in

1086
00:46:02,410 --> 00:46:00,019
terms of the housing on on the rez there

1087
00:46:05,319 --> 00:46:02,420
and at one point it was seen leaping

1088
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:05,329
from rooftop to rooftop making

1089
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:07,250
impossible leaps of twenty to thirty

1090
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:09,470
feet between buildings on the rooftops

1091
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:14,569
and I guess once the word of this got

1092
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:17,630
out big low higher door at this point

1093
00:46:22,839 --> 00:46:19,910
I'm not sure I think it would be nudes

1094
00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:22,849
was long gone by this point but this

1095
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:25,430
team of private investigators was hired

1096
00:46:30,490 --> 00:46:28,970
to to interview witnesses I think comb

1097
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:30,500
Kelleher was involved in some of these

1098
00:46:37,779 --> 00:46:33,920
interviews yeah this is this was during

1099
00:46:42,759 --> 00:46:37,789
the knids time this 2009 this was the

1100
00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:42,769
final one I guess and they were

1101
00:46:47,859 --> 00:46:45,380
cross-referencing descriptions did it

1102
00:46:49,569 --> 00:46:47,869
have you know what what did its ears

1103
00:46:53,259 --> 00:46:49,579
look like what what did it sighs look

1104
00:46:56,650 --> 00:46:53,269
like and they were cross-referencing the

1105
00:47:00,249 --> 00:46:56,660
bass the the new organization needs in

1106
00:47:01,450 --> 00:47:00,259
BA a SS whatever so yeah they still had

1107
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:01,460
the organization they still had the

1108
00:47:07,569 --> 00:47:04,880
researchers and yeah exactly well yeah

1109
00:47:09,579 --> 00:47:07,579
that still has a presence there but but

1110
00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:09,589
he did hire some outside ringers from

1111
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,380
from the information that i i i was

1112
00:47:18,339 --> 00:47:15,200
privy to and and these guys went around

1113
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:18,349
and i think with the help or cooperation

1114
00:47:24,370 --> 00:47:21,410
of the UN of the native police force

1115
00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:24,380
there and you know i think actually that

1116
00:47:29,740 --> 00:47:27,470
some of the fort Dashain and you went to

1117
00:47:32,370 --> 00:47:29,750
ute Indian officers actually were

1118
00:47:36,730 --> 00:47:32,380
witnesses as well to this particular

1119
00:47:38,859 --> 00:47:36,740
creature and in this this is an example

1120
00:47:41,740 --> 00:47:38,869
again and Ryan I think you do a good job

1121
00:47:43,539 --> 00:47:41,750
pointing out in your book that it seems

1122
00:47:45,390 --> 00:47:43,549
that as though the ranch may be kind of

1123
00:47:48,130 --> 00:47:45,400
an epicenter for a lot of this activity

1124
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:48,140
it's not exclusive to the ranch I mean

1125
00:47:50,109 --> 00:47:49,730
there's stuff going on all around that

1126
00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:50,119
area

1127
00:47:53,650 --> 00:47:51,740
you know this occurred in the city of

1128
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:53,660
Fort do Shane this is on the way

1129
00:47:58,089 --> 00:47:55,880
right in town a couple miles away yeah

1130
00:48:00,250 --> 00:47:58,099
in the middle of town and which the town

1131
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:00,260
isn't that big as you know but so this

1132
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:03,140
was not on the ranch right and there's

1133
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:05,930
there's a loads of reports that go all

1134
00:48:11,849 --> 00:48:08,450
the way back into the late sixties the

1135
00:48:15,849 --> 00:48:11,859
great uuugh of utah UFO display by

1136
00:48:18,279 --> 00:48:15,859
professor frank Salisbury and and jr.

1137
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:18,289
Hicks has a lot of very interesting

1138
00:48:22,930 --> 00:48:20,990
sighting reports cattle mutilation

1139
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:22,940
reports and other types of anomalous

1140
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:26,150
activity that is spread all around that

1141
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:28,670
area we're talking you know a good

1142
00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:30,770
hundred square mile area easily and

1143
00:48:35,799 --> 00:48:32,630
there does seem to be a bit of a

1144
00:48:38,170 --> 00:48:35,809
concentration there around the fort

1145
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:38,180
Dechaine area just south of there but

1146
00:48:42,339 --> 00:48:40,609
again I think you do a good job in the

1147
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:42,349
book where I'm pointing out that we

1148
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:44,210
shouldn't be too focused on the ranch

1149
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:46,970
because you know this is a larger

1150
00:48:52,210 --> 00:48:49,369
scenario you want to address that a

1151
00:48:58,839 --> 00:48:52,220
little bit the larger scenario aspect of

1152
00:49:00,519 --> 00:48:58,849
it or I mean the story yeah you read you

1153
00:49:02,589 --> 00:49:00,529
read the first book by George Knapp

1154
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:02,599
excuse me by George Knapp and Colm

1155
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:04,490
Kelleher and it's just absolutely

1156
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:06,170
mind-blowing it's fascinating how

1157
00:49:11,049 --> 00:49:08,569
bizarre and unique some of those stories

1158
00:49:13,329 --> 00:49:11,059
are I mean I think UFO folklore hasn't

1159
00:49:15,099 --> 00:49:13,339
even I I think that really took us in a

1160
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:15,109
different direction regards useful for

1161
00:49:19,630 --> 00:49:18,049
folklore and that it's it's not this

1162
00:49:23,230 --> 00:49:19,640
traditional Whitney's Whitley Strieber

1163
00:49:24,910 --> 00:49:23,240
type communication type abductions and

1164
00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:24,920
probings or whatever there's a whole

1165
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:27,470
slew and of characters I could

1166
00:49:31,660 --> 00:49:29,450
potentially be involved in one one

1167
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:31,670
incident and and the more I started

1168
00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:33,650
gathering stories from from the locals

1169
00:49:37,930 --> 00:49:36,230
their stories were even more in some

1170
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:37,940
cases more dramatic than the stories in

1171
00:49:43,089 --> 00:49:40,190
that first book which is a unfor the

1172
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:43,099
skinwalker and the further I went out

1173
00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:46,970
there was again there was no there was a

1174
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:48,470
surplus of stories and it didn't

1175
00:49:52,269 --> 00:49:50,089
necessarily have to be on the ranch or

1176
00:49:53,650 --> 00:49:52,279
or even neighboring the ranch

1177
00:49:57,220 --> 00:49:53,660
necessarily just had to be in that you

1178
00:49:59,529 --> 00:49:57,230
went to Basin area and it almost almost

1179
00:50:01,809 --> 00:49:59,539
as if a fence you know the mountains

1180
00:50:04,269 --> 00:50:01,819
create that Basin and and it seems like

1181
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,279
as if beyond that fence just it really

1182
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:06,240
kind of trickles off a little bit

1183
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:09,690
they Dean this is Ryan here sure

1184
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:12,330
I'm Shane I'm sorry we got to Ryan's

1185
00:50:18,830 --> 00:50:14,610
here you can call me Shane I just want

1186
00:50:22,070 --> 00:50:18,840
general questions for Ryan and as always

1187
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:22,080
pique my interest to find out or learn

1188
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:26,400
have you heard of any activity with

1189
00:50:36,590 --> 00:50:30,930
security personnel and unmarked vehicles

1190
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:36,600
etc that has taken place outside of the

1191
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:39,690
Bigelow ranch because you know I had a

1192
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:43,410
friend once who went out there and in on

1193
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:47,250
a public road and a public highway it

1194
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:50,010
wasn't really a highway but he was you

1195
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:53,610
know surrounded by armed guards on a

1196
00:50:57,380 --> 00:50:55,740
public road and some of this do you

1197
00:50:59,960 --> 00:50:57,390
think there's any overreach going on

1198
00:51:04,540 --> 00:50:59,970
here where some of these security guards

1199
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:04,550
get a little too little - let's start -

1200
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:07,500
you know there is I mean there is no

1201
00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:10,020
check and balances here maybe that's

1202
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:11,460
that's why what I'm saying is it's

1203
00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:13,020
dangerous to be out there I agree with

1204
00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:15,600
you I mean their home bases in Nevada

1205
00:51:19,550 --> 00:51:17,670
these guys are hundreds and hundreds of

1206
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:19,560
miles away from any sort of employer or

1207
00:51:23,090 --> 00:51:21,300
oversight you know they're on their own

1208
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:23,100
oh boy let's get into more of this in

1209
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:25,380
our next segment we have Ryan Skinner

1210
00:51:30,050 --> 00:51:27,810
we're joined also by Shane a little bit

1211
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:30,060
later we'll hear from God's Makai with

1212
00:51:42,820 --> 00:51:41,050
great minds think alike the network for

1213
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:42,830
the independent-minded

1214
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:47,290
the genesis communications network see

1215
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:49,670
Henry Ford once said a man who stops

1216
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:51,710
advertising save money is like a man who

1217
00:51:54,550 --> 00:51:52,970
stops a clock to save time

1218
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:54,560
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1219
00:51:58,540 --> 00:51:56,810
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1220
00:52:00,190 --> 00:51:58,550
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1221
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1222
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1223
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1224
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1225
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1226
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1227
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1228
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1229
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1230
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1231
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1232
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1233
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:24,710
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1234
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:25,250
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1235
00:52:28,810 --> 00:52:26,990
forcing taxes to surfaced at this

1236
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:28,820
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1237
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:30,290
stating a central bank issuing the

1238
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:31,910
public currency is a greater menace to

1239
00:52:34,780 --> 00:52:33,050
the liberties of the people than a

1240
00:52:36,190 --> 00:52:34,790
standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

1241
00:52:38,050 --> 00:52:36,200
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1242
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that explains our monetary system call

1243
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1244
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1245
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1246
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1247
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1248
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1249
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1273
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[Music]

1274
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:55,910
[Applause]

1275
00:54:03,940 --> 00:53:59,640
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1276
00:54:12,229 --> 00:54:03,950
standard of paranormal radio and now

1277
00:54:13,789 --> 00:54:12,239
here's Jane Steinberg so do you see Ryan

1278
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:13,799
Skinner as you continue to answer that

1279
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:16,440
question that being so many hundreds of

1280
00:54:21,979 --> 00:54:18,690
miles away from the home base maybe they

1281
00:54:23,749 --> 00:54:21,989
take a few liberties they would not take

1282
00:54:26,479 --> 00:54:23,759
if they had more direct oversight I

1283
00:54:27,979 --> 00:54:26,489
think it's a possibility again there

1284
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:27,989
isn't direct leadership direct

1285
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:30,089
leadership is back at a Bigelow

1286
00:54:33,769 --> 00:54:32,249
Aerospace in a different state I mean

1287
00:54:37,099 --> 00:54:33,779
they're in a completely different state

1288
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:37,109
we have our mercenaries board our

1289
00:54:40,579 --> 00:54:39,210
mercenaries sitting on sitting on that

1290
00:54:43,220 --> 00:54:40,589
ranch property just waiting for

1291
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:43,230
something to happen in a you know in a

1292
00:54:48,229 --> 00:54:46,440
military type mindset which I guess

1293
00:54:50,989 --> 00:54:48,239
that's just a potentially volatile

1294
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,999
situation that could happen I did want

1295
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:52,799
to tell you I always been inundated with

1296
00:54:57,559 --> 00:54:54,930
different rumors about security and some

1297
00:54:59,299 --> 00:54:57,569
of them to the to the fantastic to the

1298
00:55:00,859 --> 00:54:59,309
down-to-earth some of the people I've

1299
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:00,869
spoken with are very down-to-earth

1300
00:55:05,029 --> 00:55:03,660
people very intelligent people but some

1301
00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:05,039
of the ones out there are a little bit

1302
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:07,230
more gung-ho if you don't mind I want to

1303
00:55:12,799 --> 00:55:08,910
give you two or two or three real brief

1304
00:55:14,029 --> 00:55:12,809
stories sure that I mean from some of

1305
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:14,039
the people I've talked to you know they

1306
00:55:18,259 --> 00:55:16,710
say this is complete baloney but the

1307
00:55:19,009 --> 00:55:18,269
locals I've talked to said it's would

1308
00:55:21,009 --> 00:55:19,019
swear to it

1309
00:55:24,049 --> 00:55:21,019
have swore up and down that it's true

1310
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:24,059
one time one of the locals I've spoken

1311
00:55:27,319 --> 00:55:26,099
with claims I don't know

1312
00:55:28,999 --> 00:55:27,329
these aren't the traditional kind of

1313
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:29,009
people that that I've dealt with back

1314
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:31,650
home I guess there's not a lot to do out

1315
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:33,470
there for fun well this guy took his

1316
00:55:38,989 --> 00:55:36,930
Camaro I guess and and a big chain and

1317
00:55:40,849 --> 00:55:38,999
he went down to skinwalker ranch several

1318
00:55:43,819 --> 00:55:40,859
years ago and tied his chain around the

1319
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:43,829
gate and the rest of it to his bumper

1320
00:55:48,289 --> 00:55:46,230
and somehow pulled the I don't know why

1321
00:55:50,989 --> 00:55:48,299
he decided to do this but he pulled the

1322
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:50,999
gate right off and dragged it off or

1323
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:52,859
whatever and he claims the moment that

1324
00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:56,130
he did so that a helicopter came up from

1325
00:56:01,069 --> 00:55:58,980
over the ridge line and started to hover

1326
00:56:03,499 --> 00:56:01,079
over his car which time he undid the

1327
00:56:05,299 --> 00:56:03,509
chain and just took off his claim is at

1328
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:05,309
this helicopter now followed him all the

1329
00:56:08,420 --> 00:56:07,529
way to the highway at which point then

1330
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:08,430
it

1331
00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:12,960
have described and I've seen this

1332
00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:14,430
personally have described seeing a

1333
00:56:20,420 --> 00:56:18,060
convoy of black newer SUVs tinted out

1334
00:56:23,050 --> 00:56:20,430
windows there's even a few stories in my

1335
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:23,060
book about that when I went there in

1336
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:25,980
2007 I I saw the same exact thing a

1337
00:56:30,860 --> 00:56:28,770
caravan of these government looking SUVs

1338
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:30,870
coming directly out of the ranch from

1339
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:33,150
conversations with with the guards

1340
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:35,310
themselves I they don't go there in a

1341
00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:38,130
caravan of SUVs so I don't know what

1342
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:40,470
that is it's perplexing to me to this

1343
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:43,290
day on the service obviously they've are

1344
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,470
monitoring as many areas as possible of

1345
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:49,200
that ranch with cameras yeah you know

1346
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:50,520
but you don't see them parked on the

1347
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:51,960
ranch it's as if they almost

1348
00:56:55,610 --> 00:56:53,970
materialized out of the ranch and start

1349
00:56:57,830 --> 00:56:55,620
coming I mean as if they're coming out

1350
00:56:59,570 --> 00:56:57,840
of there speculation like um another

1351
00:57:01,220 --> 00:56:59,580
earth itself I mean nobody knows where

1352
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:01,230
they were they initiate from but they

1353
00:57:06,110 --> 00:57:03,780
all suddenly this caravan of SUVs leaves

1354
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,120
the ranch there aren't places maybe

1355
00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:08,880
garages or places or cattle where they

1356
00:57:15,050 --> 00:57:12,120
could not alter our particular equipment

1357
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:15,060
how far from the entrance to the ranch

1358
00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:16,680
to the main building is it

1359
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:19,470
oh that's I'm trying to get fixed on

1360
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:21,030
tomorrow the response time about a

1361
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:23,220
quarter mile that's gonna sit a throw a

1362
00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:25,020
mile away from a mile so they can pretty

1363
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:27,120
well get out there within just you know

1364
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:30,090
a minute or so if they rush out how long

1365
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:32,460
could it take but they're not you've

1366
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:33,180
been out there

1367
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,270
times Chris I mean you've never seen

1368
00:57:42,350 --> 00:57:38,760
anything other than the the caretakers

1369
00:57:44,180 --> 00:57:42,360
cars the and the guards car the only

1370
00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:44,190
time I was actually on the ranch was

1371
00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:46,230
when I was there before anybody knew

1372
00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:48,600
about this case and I sat for an entire

1373
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:50,670
afternoon with Terry Sherman and that's

1374
00:57:56,540 --> 00:57:53,510
when I got my first real dose of

1375
00:57:59,060 --> 00:57:56,550
weirdness from this particular case and

1376
00:58:01,580 --> 00:57:59,070
then of course the articles that Zak van

1377
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:01,590
eck the desiree news world came out just

1378
00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:03,630
within a day or two after though of

1379
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:05,190
course I guess the big problem with the

1380
00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:07,170
book and all the publicity centered on

1381
00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:10,800
the skinwalker ranch is that it's gonna

1382
00:58:15,260 --> 00:58:12,630
attract crazy people do we still see

1383
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:15,270
that though there or is that kind of

1384
00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:17,160
died off since it's been a few years

1385
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:19,260
since the book was out just a complete

1386
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:21,780
Shane's question I've also heard about

1387
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:24,750
locals that have have I don't driven by

1388
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:26,280
the ranch and sat at the gate and looked

1389
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:27,810
out there and then driven to a different

1390
00:58:33,050 --> 00:58:29,970
location suddenly they they claim to me

1391
00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:33,060
that that they've been surrounded by the

1392
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:34,740
guards the guards pull over whatever and

1393
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:36,810
start harassing them and are you still

1394
00:58:41,420 --> 00:58:39,810
there Shane yeah I'm still here yeah do

1395
00:58:42,860 --> 00:58:41,430
you have an experience or a story that

1396
00:58:48,350 --> 00:58:42,870
that happened to you or someone you know

1397
00:58:50,990 --> 00:58:48,360
no no I just that that whole area that

1398
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:51,000
seems to be if you're out there you're

1399
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:52,890
kind of on your own I guess it's a

1400
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:55,650
council Westerwald western days Wild

1401
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:57,690
West out there but I had a person that I

1402
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:00,960
talked to you one time who had had

1403
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,610
wasn't even going out there to visit the

1404
00:59:09,290 --> 00:59:05,520
ranch and was just driving and ended up

1405
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:09,300
on a got lost or something and and you

1406
00:59:16,070 --> 00:59:13,290
know some of these mercenary guards that

1407
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:16,080
sort of like Katrina when they there

1408
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:17,850
were not people down there were not

1409
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:20,490
Katrina but the Gulf oil spill when they

1410
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,730
heard all these mercenary cars and

1411
00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:24,960
people were being told you're not

1412
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:28,260
allowed to go in on public land and I

1413
00:59:32,540 --> 00:59:29,610
don't know it just I just that's the

1414
00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:32,550
only question I had and we got a we got

1415
00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:34,200
to keep a rational perspective on this

1416
00:59:37,310 --> 00:59:35,550
whole thing too and you know we're

1417
00:59:39,370 --> 00:59:37,320
dealing with a lot of cattle ranchers

1418
00:59:42,110 --> 00:59:39,380
and private property

1419
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:42,120
suddenly when just Yahoo start driving

1420
00:59:45,860 --> 00:59:43,590
all over their their property looking

1421
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,870
for aliens it does piss off a lot of

1422
00:59:49,580 --> 00:59:47,280
people and I think I think in a lot of

1423
00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:49,590
cases people mistake actual just

1424
00:59:52,940 --> 00:59:51,540
disturbed ranch owners for the guards

1425
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:52,950
and a lot of those stories seem to

1426
00:59:59,410 --> 00:59:55,890
filter into me too so I I don't want

1427
01:00:01,940 --> 00:59:59,420
everything to be a fantastic story of

1428
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:01,950
government agents seeking everyone down

1429
01:00:06,050 --> 01:00:04,410
but a lot of times there is a rational

1430
01:00:10,070 --> 01:00:06,060
explanation for why people are harassed

1431
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:10,080
off site but it does happen but the the

1432
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:11,640
most common thing that that's happened

1433
01:00:16,270 --> 01:00:13,170
out there and this has never happened to

1434
01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:16,280
me is that people will people that have

1435
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:18,750
trespassed on or around the ranch have

1436
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:21,110
reported seeing a military helicopter

1437
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,640
over their head and even had

1438
01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:25,920
instructions shouted to them through a

1439
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,500
bullhorn or none at all and I guess the

1440
01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:30,720
the helicopter itself almost seems to be

1441
01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:32,040
muffled it's

1442
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:34,500
extremely quiet is how they describe it

1443
01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:37,890
and I mean where the hell a fueled up

1444
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:40,080
helicopter is you know waiting - waiting

1445
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,090
to be deployed at a moment's notice I

1446
01:00:46,940 --> 01:00:44,160
think we're around that region you know

1447
01:00:48,260 --> 01:00:46,950
there's one there's one Airport pretty

1448
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:48,270
far away and I can't imagine they have a

1449
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:50,610
military helicopter they're at it at a

1450
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:52,530
moment's notice ready to go so where is

1451
01:00:57,340 --> 01:00:55,140
this thing coming from I would think

1452
01:00:59,390 --> 01:00:57,350
though as they see cars or people

1453
01:01:02,480 --> 01:00:59,400
approaching the property they could

1454
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:02,490
already be warned to do something maybe

1455
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:03,930
they have a private satellite they're

1456
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:05,880
using - they have access to satellite so

1457
01:01:10,820 --> 01:01:07,470
they have a better view of the property

1458
01:01:12,980 --> 01:01:10,830
that was cameras yeah this is Bigelow

1459
01:01:16,550 --> 01:01:12,990
Aerospace you know sure this is this is

1460
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:16,560
a child unit within Bigelow Aerospace so

1461
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,780
of course that could be a very viable

1462
01:01:23,810 --> 01:01:20,880
option hey he's got he's got two

1463
01:01:27,470 --> 01:01:23,820
floating modules he's an individual with

1464
01:01:29,690 --> 01:01:27,480
a private space station that's right hey

1465
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:29,700
guys this is Shane again you know on the

1466
01:01:37,070 --> 01:01:33,210
other hand I can agree with the need for

1467
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:37,080
security on the other side because you

1468
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:40,770
know if this was very publicized and

1469
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:43,110
anybody and everybody was allowed to go

1470
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:46,260
out there it would be just a rat it

1471
01:01:54,830 --> 01:01:50,760
would just be just a circus also I don't

1472
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:54,840
want to seem like I'm totally you're

1473
01:01:58,100 --> 01:01:56,490
definitely on to something it reminds me

1474
01:02:00,140 --> 01:01:58,110
of something bigger that I don't talk

1475
01:02:01,460 --> 01:02:00,150
about that much and it's been alluded to

1476
01:02:03,290 --> 01:02:01,470
me by the guards that they have they

1477
01:02:06,740 --> 01:02:03,300
have two functions out there you know

1478
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:06,750
one to potentially potentially detain

1479
01:02:11,090 --> 01:02:08,960
you for trespassing for breaking the law

1480
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,100
and it might be kind of rough in that

1481
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:13,680
process but but - they've also confides

1482
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:16,140
me and whispered to me that they're also

1483
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:18,390
that their dual purpose is to almost

1484
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:21,510
protect you from from what's out there

1485
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:23,850
that you know protect you from yourself

1486
01:02:27,980 --> 01:02:25,500
from your own curiosity of being on the

1487
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:27,990
property what you know what what they

1488
01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:31,530
claim that's out there wouldn't

1489
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:33,900
necessarily you could have a much worse

1490
01:02:39,050 --> 01:02:37,140
day with with what stock what you don't

1491
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:39,060
see out there then then the guards I

1492
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:41,040
guess it's mine think about this Ryan

1493
01:02:49,290 --> 01:02:45,490
the think about the energy required

1494
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:49,300
to open a portal if you talk to any

1495
01:02:54,930 --> 01:02:52,900
physicist or scientist they will tell

1496
01:02:58,109 --> 01:02:54,940
you that the amount of energy I mean

1497
01:03:00,000 --> 01:02:58,119
we're talking massive amounts out I'm

1498
01:03:01,530 --> 01:03:00,010
sure Chris agrees portion of the Sun

1499
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:01,540
would it would take from what I've read

1500
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:04,930
so you know what effect that has on on

1501
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:07,150
people we don't know I mean we're

1502
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:10,840
talking the universe is worth the energy

1503
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:14,710
required mature ocean but Shane what I'm

1504
01:03:17,970 --> 01:03:16,330
saying is is the guards being out there

1505
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:17,980
they say these things are unseen these

1506
01:03:21,660 --> 01:03:19,690
skinwalker like entities or whatever

1507
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:21,670
roams out there you know it's unseen to

1508
01:03:24,690 --> 01:03:23,110
us and we have no idea as you're

1509
01:03:27,420 --> 01:03:24,700
standing by that gate that this thing is

1510
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:27,430
right behind you I'll tell you let's do

1511
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it

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I don't know what lurks behind this door

1513
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:32,530
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podcast.com Ryan Skinner is here to talk

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01:08:18,109 --> 01:08:15,299
more about the mysteries of the

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01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:18,119
skinwalker ranch we're joined by one of

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01:08:24,649 --> 01:08:21,000
our listeners Shane and GOG he'll be

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01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,659
here shortly okay so we touched on it

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01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:26,159
before these documents that you've

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01:08:33,379 --> 01:08:30,690
uncovered by means that you would not

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01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:33,389
care to mention what else do these

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01:08:39,589 --> 01:08:37,380
documents reveal well that I guess I've

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01:08:43,070 --> 01:08:39,599
been recognized by by piccolo and team

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01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:43,080
as a security threat I mentioned several

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01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:46,290
times in the documents and how to

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01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:48,330
prevent kind of interest how to prevent

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01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:51,000
information from getting to me which I

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01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:55,489
guess wasn't bad effective at this point

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01:09:00,649 --> 01:08:58,799
what other fascinating there's a hint

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01:09:03,559 --> 01:09:00,659
there's just a hint in the documents

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01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,569
about a government benefactor about

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01:09:07,099 --> 01:09:05,279
there being a third party that's that's

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01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,109
also involved in the research going on

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01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:09,839
at the ranch and to me I just I wish I

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01:09:12,499 --> 01:09:10,770
could have gotten my hands on a little

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01:09:14,930 --> 01:09:12,509
bit more of that information I mean that

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01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:14,940
that really is the holy grail of it's

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01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:16,409
one thing that just an eccentric

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01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:17,699
billionaire is some people like to think

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01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:19,319
which I don't think he's that eccentric

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01:09:22,030 --> 01:09:20,940
at all I think he's on to something and

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01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:22,040
he's looking for very specific

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01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:24,719
technology and and to harness it and to

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01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:27,299
capitalize on it but if there really is

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01:09:32,089 --> 01:09:30,239
a government aspect to this and that's

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01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,099
that's been hidden from the public it's

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:34,080
got to make you wonder why the

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01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:35,730
government's interested and what did he

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01:09:40,579 --> 01:09:37,799
already know this is Shane again Ryan

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01:09:42,919 --> 01:09:40,589
are the documents in your book yeah yeah

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01:09:45,019 --> 01:09:42,929
well there are paraphrase in the book is

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01:09:46,939 --> 01:09:45,029
the best way I like to put it there in

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01:09:50,209 --> 01:09:46,949
the book and so some of them are

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01:09:53,059 --> 01:09:50,219
verbatim some are paraphrase to Protoss

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01:09:56,419 --> 01:09:53,069
or could you possibly put them like just

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01:09:58,990 --> 01:09:56,429
put a PDF of that murder on the internet

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01:10:01,700 --> 01:09:59,000
or something and are you afraid to do it

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01:10:06,979 --> 01:10:01,710
no I'm not afraid to do that I'm selling

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01:10:08,260 --> 01:10:06,989
a book Bell thinks $3.00 right now in

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:08,270
Amazon so it's

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01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:10,970
not the people in the field the UFO

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01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,000
community will probably you probably can

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01:10:18,340 --> 01:10:16,640
counter people who will demand to see

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01:10:19,870 --> 01:10:18,350
the originals I'm just letting you know

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01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:19,880
that I'm not saying that's what I'm

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01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:20,450
saying

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01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:23,690
no I fully expect yep I think you're

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01:10:28,150 --> 01:10:26,510
100% right about that and I they can

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01:10:33,670 --> 01:10:28,160
choose to believe it or not I guess I

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01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,680
it's this way Shane I have seen copies

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01:10:41,070 --> 01:10:35,600
of the original documents and they look

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01:10:44,710 --> 01:10:41,080
legit to me okay well I I trust chrises

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:44,720
yeah I've also seen a full transcript so

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01:10:51,250 --> 01:10:46,850
the interviews done with witnesses in

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01:10:55,630 --> 01:10:51,260
the surrounding area there's enough

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01:10:58,060 --> 01:10:55,640
there for me to be reasonably confident

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01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,070
that and these appear to be the same

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01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:00,560
documents Orion is referring to

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01:11:07,450 --> 01:11:04,400
I admire Ryan's I think gene would

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01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:07,460
appreciate the term foot spa for for

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01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:09,680
referring to these documents and and in

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01:11:17,130 --> 01:11:13,730
quoting them I chose not to I could have

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01:11:19,780 --> 01:11:17,140
a number of years ago but I've chosen to

1689
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:19,790
do sit back and maintain more of an

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01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:21,710
observer role in this whole thing and

1691
01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:25,130
try to help in any way that I can but I

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01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,550
really do applaud Ryan for going the

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01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:30,800
extra mile with this book and and and

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01:11:35,980 --> 01:11:33,110
really digging into the background of

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01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:35,990
the area the initial chapters are

1696
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:38,590
fascinating about some of the

1697
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:41,930
interesting cultural information that

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01:11:47,410 --> 01:11:45,380
they were in Wallace were able to

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01:11:49,780 --> 01:11:47,420
uncover about the history of the Indians

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:49,790
in the area but you know I have two

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01:11:53,860 --> 01:11:51,530
questions Ryan one thing that I did not

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01:11:56,770 --> 01:11:53,870
notice was any any sort of definitive

1703
01:11:58,510 --> 01:11:56,780
mention of the rumored deaths that

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01:12:00,280 --> 01:11:58,520
occurred on the ranch what have you

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01:12:02,670 --> 01:12:00,290
found out in the interim about that

1706
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,680
particular story which I've gotten two

1707
01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:05,120
separate confirmations that something

1708
01:12:09,310 --> 01:12:06,830
did happen out there and somebody did

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01:12:12,010 --> 01:12:09,320
die the best I can figure was sometime

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01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:12,020
around maybe July early August 99 I

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01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:14,210
think me and you spoke by phone over

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01:12:19,390 --> 01:12:17,840
about this some time ago and and I may

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01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,400
have even mentioned this on our last

1714
01:12:23,069 --> 01:12:21,199
interview do you want me to three

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01:12:26,649 --> 01:12:23,079
the story that was told to me by I

1716
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:26,659
suppose it inside source at this point I

1717
01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:28,010
don't know I don't have a definitive

1718
01:12:32,919 --> 01:12:30,289
answer on that topic I mean it's it's

1719
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:32,929
all conjecture conjecture and and rumor

1720
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:35,209
but but I do have a story that I think

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01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:38,050
no one else heard of how it happened

1722
01:12:41,859 --> 01:12:40,610
well you mentioned yeah that the guy

1723
01:12:43,870 --> 01:12:41,869
happened to be in the wrong place at the

1724
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:43,880
wrong time the Oporto write-up something

1725
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:48,409
fell out on him yeah I just caught a

1726
01:12:56,580 --> 01:12:52,239
question from our forms and I'll read it

1727
01:13:01,089 --> 01:12:56,590
Chris it's from storage it says why is

1728
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:01,099
NSA interested in skinwalker to my

1729
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:03,050
knowledge it's not it's the Department

1730
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:04,729
of Defense from from what I've heard but

1731
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:10,280
I don't know it you can say that with

1732
01:13:13,660 --> 01:13:11,449
full confidence I don't have enough

1733
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,670
definitive information or documents or

1734
01:13:18,009 --> 01:13:16,159
anything and if I did I probably

1735
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:18,019
wouldn't wouldn't want them anyway or

1736
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:19,369
tell anybody about it because that'd

1737
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:23,150
make me a marked person so well remember

1738
01:13:29,049 --> 01:13:27,289
when we had chat on the the former

1739
01:13:32,459 --> 01:13:29,059
employee called himself Chad he

1740
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:32,469
mentioned something to the effect of of

1741
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,170
his paycheck stars paid Stubbs had NSA

1742
01:13:40,899 --> 01:13:37,760
on them or something of course that

1743
01:13:42,910 --> 01:13:40,909
could be Nevada Security Agency or you

1744
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,920
know you see and did he say NSA or I

1745
01:13:46,629 --> 01:13:44,719
thought he told I thought he told me

1746
01:13:48,459 --> 01:13:46,639
Department of Defense's is what I've

1747
01:13:50,379 --> 01:13:48,469
heard from him so I'm pretty sure he

1748
01:13:53,739 --> 01:13:50,389
said NSA those initials because we

1749
01:13:55,719 --> 01:13:53,749
queried him on that I think that's what

1750
01:13:58,060 --> 01:13:55,729
Shane's picking up on on the prior

1751
01:14:05,109 --> 01:13:58,070
insurance through the three or four

1752
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:05,119
years ago the doc you don't you're

1753
01:14:11,469 --> 01:14:07,610
saying we don't have the documents that

1754
01:14:13,330 --> 01:14:11,479
would support some sort of government a

1755
01:14:16,449 --> 01:14:13,340
particular government agency that's

1756
01:14:18,819 --> 01:14:16,459
involved out there it just talks about

1757
01:14:21,310 --> 01:14:18,829
never mentioning the benefactor to the

1758
01:14:24,089 --> 01:14:21,320
project is what the one line in the in

1759
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:24,099
the documents that I have spells out

1760
01:14:28,899 --> 01:14:26,690
it's a security warning to all the to

1761
01:14:31,839 --> 01:14:28,909
all the employees and the researchers

1762
01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:31,849
directly working for bass never to

1763
01:14:36,590 --> 01:14:33,780
mention who the benefactor is

1764
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:36,600
well isn't that Bigelow it could be

1765
01:14:41,780 --> 01:14:39,530
interpreted that way because we have

1766
01:14:43,580 --> 01:14:41,790
through one of the TV shows that I did I

1767
01:14:46,460 --> 01:14:43,590
think it was a jogging shore whatever we

1768
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:46,470
went out there or the Ventura show we

1769
01:14:49,670 --> 01:14:47,940
went out and queried the guard and the

1770
01:14:51,140 --> 01:14:49,680
guard kept saying well you know I don't

1771
01:14:53,420 --> 01:14:51,150
know who owns the property I have no

1772
01:14:56,420 --> 01:14:53,430
idea so maybe he was just following

1773
01:14:57,890 --> 01:14:56,430
protocol and and it must have been Rogan

1774
01:15:00,320 --> 01:14:57,900
because I was with you on the other one

1775
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:00,330
on the Jesse show and we never were able

1776
01:15:02,450 --> 01:15:01,890
to talk to any guards at least to my

1777
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:02,460
knowledge

1778
01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:05,310
well that guard did come out remember he

1779
01:15:09,140 --> 01:15:07,380
said it he came out late at night we

1780
01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:09,150
came back to the the gate he came out

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01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:12,360
for just a brief discussion with the

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01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:14,490
crew or whatever for a moment I probably

1783
01:15:18,980 --> 01:15:16,230
was already gone to my hotel room by

1784
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,990
that point let me ask you Ryan would you

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01:15:21,710 --> 01:15:20,400
be willing to stay for another segment

1786
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:21,720
because we have some questions from

1787
01:15:23,690 --> 01:15:23,490
listeners yes like to submit okay very

1788
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:23,700
good

1789
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:25,170
Chris you wanted to start with some

1790
01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:29,310
questions the one I just asked ya SRL

1791
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:31,260
who's been a longtime poster at forum

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01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:34,170
dr. Peric ascom where you can sign up

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01:15:38,990 --> 01:15:36,810
and post questions that we ask our

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01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:39,000
guests every week and he's wondering uh

1795
01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:41,910
who is DL Wallace and why is he so

1796
01:15:46,490 --> 01:15:43,710
interested in the skinwalker ranch and I

1797
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:46,500
would also say how did you get involved

1798
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:48,690
in a co-authorship scenario with him

1799
01:15:54,830 --> 01:15:51,810
it's a great question thirty seconds

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01:15:56,330 --> 01:15:54,840
before we split for the break so you

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01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:56,340
know maybe what we should do here is

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01:16:01,330 --> 01:15:58,530
just hold that answer till we come back

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01:16:03,770 --> 01:16:01,340
the book is called skinwalker ranch no

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01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:03,780
trespassing true stories and secret

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01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:06,330
files by Ryan Skinner with DL Wallace

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01:16:10,460 --> 01:16:08,010
and we'll find out on the other side

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01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:10,470
more about DL Wallace and you were

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01:16:14,180 --> 01:16:11,970
telling me Ryan the books only three

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dollars on Kindle yeah for the Kindle

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right now $2.99 Wow I mean everybody can

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get a copy really sure there's a lot of

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good stuff in there Ryan you really

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really bail off nail that really good

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book okay Ryan Skinner coming back for

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another segment at least with gene and

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01:21:03,170 --> 01:20:57,570
is the author of UFO mysteries and

1920
01:21:06,860 --> 01:21:03,180
you're listening to the parrot yes okay

1921
01:21:10,100 --> 01:21:06,870
so Ryan Skinner could you tell us about

1922
01:21:15,170 --> 01:21:10,110
your co-author DL Wallace is my editor

1923
01:21:16,670 --> 01:21:15,180
and uh really after after the excuse me

1924
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,680
after the first book or whatever he gave

1925
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:18,480
me a lot of advice for going into the

1926
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:21,360
second book and he's he's actually more

1927
01:21:25,550 --> 01:21:23,250
of a skeptic than he is just a staunch

1928
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:25,560
believer and he wanted to represent the

1929
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:28,800
the other side of of the readership I

1930
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:31,890
guess not everyone yeah my first book

1931
01:21:35,660 --> 01:21:33,930
was more of a personal diary and I

1932
01:21:37,790 --> 01:21:35,670
wanted a second book to be this it was

1933
01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:37,800
my story my personal story is as I

1934
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,260
interpreted it and that that didn't

1935
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:42,000
necessarily resonate with with all of my

1936
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:43,920
audience members and I and I took that

1937
01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:45,570
feedback and I wanted to create a second

1938
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:47,190
book that that really would would hit a

1939
01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:49,410
home run where I discussed the history

1940
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:52,920
and deal Wallace really kind of

1941
01:21:58,580 --> 01:21:55,800
corralled me a little bit well quite a

1942
01:22:01,250 --> 01:21:58,590
bit from from avoiding some of the self

1943
01:22:03,370 --> 01:22:01,260
reflectiveness and and taking a personal

1944
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:03,380
stance on a lot of these topics and

1945
01:22:09,230 --> 01:22:07,290
instead instead I just told the stories

1946
01:22:11,330 --> 01:22:09,240
as they were told to me and left it up

1947
01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:11,340
to the the end reader to make their own

1948
01:22:16,670 --> 01:22:13,620
conclusions regards to what they believe

1949
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:16,680
or what they don't believe and I think I

1950
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:18,450
found the reviews I've had so far I

1951
01:22:22,730 --> 01:22:21,330
guess the the skeptics are a lot of

1952
01:22:26,660 --> 01:22:22,740
review say they're horrified if it's

1953
01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:26,670
true and believers are again supportive

1954
01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:30,060
of what we've put together but he's my

1955
01:22:34,460 --> 01:22:32,460
editor and a friend of mine and someone

1956
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:34,470
who really uh he came up with a lot of

1957
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:36,960
the sources I came up with the material

1958
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:38,490
and he'd find some of the background

1959
01:22:43,670 --> 01:22:39,690
information like you're talking about

1960
01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:43,680
the pueblos and Anasazi and just the

1961
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,510
historical background and I relied on

1962
01:22:50,270 --> 01:22:47,520
him for a lot of that information well I

1963
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:50,280
have another question here and it

1964
01:22:54,750 --> 01:22:53,580
basically involves the prior owners to

1965
01:22:58,890 --> 01:22:54,760
the ranch as you

1966
01:23:02,149 --> 01:22:58,900
probably probably know Frank Salisbury

1967
01:23:04,529 --> 01:23:02,159
who wrote to the Great Utah UFO display

1968
01:23:05,790 --> 01:23:04,539
recently re-released the book about four

1969
01:23:08,009 --> 01:23:05,800
or five years ago and he had a little

1970
01:23:11,180 --> 01:23:08,019
added chapter in there about the Sherman

1971
01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:11,190
ranch and he refutes any sort of

1972
01:23:16,049 --> 01:23:13,780
assertion that prior owners of the ranch

1973
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:16,059
had experienced unusual activity out

1974
01:23:20,879 --> 01:23:18,550
there and Fletcher Munson one of our

1975
01:23:22,020 --> 01:23:20,889
longtime posters that formed out the

1976
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,030
pair cast calm

1977
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:24,639
wants to know if you made any contact

1978
01:23:27,930 --> 01:23:26,170
with the relatives of the Meyers with

1979
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:27,940
the pre Sherman ranch owners in your

1980
01:23:32,279 --> 01:23:30,639
investigation and or anyone else that

1981
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:32,289
may have had some sort of link to the

1982
01:23:35,609 --> 01:23:34,090
ranch prior to terry Sherman and Gwen

1983
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:35,619
buying the property

1984
01:23:41,310 --> 01:23:38,110
yeah there's I have the direct

1985
01:23:44,850 --> 01:23:41,320
transcript of me speaking with people

1986
01:23:48,660 --> 01:23:44,860
that have lived again I can't get to uh

1987
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,670
I can't be too poignant on naming names

1988
01:23:53,609 --> 01:23:50,800
or circumstances but people that have

1989
01:23:55,620 --> 01:23:53,619
lived on the ranch I have my exact

1990
01:23:59,129 --> 01:23:55,630
transcript of my interview with them and

1991
01:24:01,470 --> 01:23:59,139
what they've related to me and based on

1992
01:24:04,049 --> 01:24:01,480
based on that interview there are some

1993
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,059
discrepancies with with what I have a

1994
01:24:08,129 --> 01:24:06,400
world of respect for Frank Salisbury but

1995
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:08,139
there's just crap and season I guess

1996
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:11,530
that he came into it slightly biased in

1997
01:24:15,419 --> 01:24:13,449
regards to his interpretation of what

1998
01:24:17,459 --> 01:24:15,429
happened on the ranch versus versus a

1999
01:24:19,649 --> 01:24:17,469
reality of me talking to people that

2000
01:24:22,109 --> 01:24:19,659
have lived there and what what they told

2001
01:24:23,729 --> 01:24:22,119
him and in their own I guess I'm already

2002
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:23,739
identify him by saying that what they

2003
01:24:28,259 --> 01:24:26,050
told him and what he put down into his

2004
01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:28,269
book and he kind of alludes that there

2005
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:30,670
that there was not that the previous

2006
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:32,710
owners the Meyers didn't experience a

2007
01:24:35,819 --> 01:24:34,510
lot of paranormal activity and there was

2008
01:24:37,529 --> 01:24:35,829
more rational explanations for

2009
01:24:42,779 --> 01:24:37,539
everything that had happened to them and

2010
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:42,789
and that's that's disputed venomously by

2011
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:44,530
another party that lived on the ranch

2012
01:24:50,850 --> 01:24:47,610
and that's pointed out in the book I

2013
01:24:52,589 --> 01:24:50,860
estimated me personally well Fletcher

2014
01:24:55,470 --> 01:24:52,599
Munson has another question that

2015
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:55,480
involves former MUFON director James

2016
01:25:00,720 --> 01:24:58,960
carians experiences when attempting to

2017
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:00,730
investigate the the skinwalker ranch

2018
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:05,110
case and he quotes several

2019
01:25:11,879 --> 01:25:09,730
paragraphs from the blog of carrion part

2020
01:25:13,530 --> 01:25:11,889
of it has to do with these metal rods

2021
01:25:15,930 --> 01:25:13,540
that were found on the ranch that were

2022
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:15,940
sent by the rancher to nudes for

2023
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:19,770
analysis I guess a an off-the-record

2024
01:25:23,939 --> 01:25:22,449
comment by one of the knit scientists

2025
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:23,949
informed him meant the rods were made

2026
01:25:29,129 --> 01:25:26,080
from element 115 and did not originate

2027
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:29,139
on earth and that he the scientist had

2028
01:25:32,879 --> 01:25:31,090
worked at area 51 a reverse engineering

2029
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:32,889
project where they accumulated 300

2030
01:25:37,919 --> 01:25:35,110
pounds of this material and and that

2031
01:25:44,700 --> 01:25:37,929
sounds very similar to some assertions

2032
01:25:46,379 --> 01:25:44,710
of Bob Lazar was making sounds any sort

2033
01:25:48,899 --> 01:25:46,389
of testing results from the metal rod

2034
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:48,909
that was found I think it was actually

2035
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:51,730
found on a mutilated cow if I remember

2036
01:25:57,090 --> 01:25:54,850
correctly it's found next to the cow I

2037
01:25:58,919 --> 01:25:57,100
knew someone else that uh that heard of

2038
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:58,929
that story as well so there the story

2039
01:26:02,250 --> 01:26:00,639
really did happen there really was some

2040
01:26:05,129 --> 01:26:02,260
sort of rods that were found out there

2041
01:26:06,660 --> 01:26:05,139
Jerry told me about it yeah I don't know

2042
01:26:09,149 --> 01:26:06,670
if you know what Gary Hart he told me as

2043
01:26:11,700 --> 01:26:09,159
well that he heard it from from Terry

2044
01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:11,710
and I'm not sure if he saw it but jr.

2045
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:13,300
Hicks told me the story firsthand and

2046
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:15,310
jr. you know held on Terry gave these to

2047
01:26:20,669 --> 01:26:18,130
jr. who then took back to his shop he

2048
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,679
tried to tried to chip them or scratch

2049
01:26:24,209 --> 01:26:22,480
them you know no matter what tool he

2050
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:24,219
used he couldn't couldn't dent the

2051
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:28,090
material I guess and then he he heated

2052
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:30,489
him up with a with a torch and I guess

2053
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:32,170
they were glowing red-hot and then he

2054
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:34,330
accidentally moved if I remember his

2055
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:35,679
story correctly accidentally moved and

2056
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:37,690
bumped it and expected you know to burn

2057
01:26:43,649 --> 01:26:41,050
himself yet the material was cool to the

2058
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:43,659
touch is what he told me he also hooked

2059
01:26:48,209 --> 01:26:46,000
up a multimeter and I guess it gave off

2060
01:26:50,669 --> 01:26:48,219
a charge that was off the scale but it

2061
01:26:53,250 --> 01:26:50,679
nothing would electrocute him so it it

2062
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:53,260
was giving out energy whatever it was it

2063
01:26:57,959 --> 01:26:55,360
could receive energy or heat energy and

2064
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:57,969
somehow it didn't didn't heat up from it

2065
01:27:03,090 --> 01:26:59,920
whatever this was was then turned over

2066
01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:03,100
to knids by by jr. Hicks and that's the

2067
01:27:06,780 --> 01:27:04,750
last we're ever gonna hear about it and

2068
01:27:09,899 --> 01:27:06,790
that's last forever gonna hear about cuz

2069
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:09,909
imagine being a guy a billionaire having

2070
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:13,210
a material like that to play with would

2071
01:27:18,930 --> 01:27:15,000
you be giving it back no way

2072
01:27:20,630 --> 01:27:18,940
but he to temper it a little bit he told

2073
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:20,640
Jr it's nothing more than common

2074
01:27:25,470 --> 01:27:23,199
insulation found on powerlines it's

2075
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:25,480
nothing to be concerned about or tractor

2076
01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:27,130
part or something like yeah tractor part

2077
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:28,630
was what I heard it was it was they

2078
01:27:32,670 --> 01:27:31,120
claimed it was jr. so that's you know

2079
01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:32,680
that's wonderful but I want it back

2080
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:35,590
anyway and they mysteriously lost it so

2081
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:39,010
threw it away you know which he told him

2082
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:40,810
I I want this back after you after

2083
01:27:44,250 --> 01:27:42,130
you're done testing it that's the only

2084
01:27:46,430 --> 01:27:44,260
way I'm gonna turn it into you do you

2085
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:46,440
mention in the book Ryan when the ranch

2086
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:49,120
reverted from you went to ute on a ship

2087
01:27:53,310 --> 01:27:51,610
to private ownership by Anglos no I

2088
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:53,320
don't know I don't know that information

2089
01:27:57,209 --> 01:27:55,449
at all that's a great question

2090
01:27:59,610 --> 01:27:57,219
yeah I would love to know when that

2091
01:28:01,439 --> 01:27:59,620
actually occurred because the story I

2092
01:28:02,910 --> 01:28:01,449
got was since the Indians weren't

2093
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:02,920
allowed to go there we might as well

2094
01:28:05,070 --> 01:28:04,330
sell it to the white boys and make some

2095
01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:05,080
dough off them

2096
01:28:09,390 --> 01:28:07,000
who knows you know is that just part of

2097
01:28:11,370 --> 01:28:09,400
the the rumor mill or that that

2098
01:28:13,050 --> 01:28:11,380
necessarily the Indians avoid well what

2099
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:13,060
what the book does talk about is that

2100
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,510
they're one of the the native policemen

2101
01:28:20,820 --> 01:28:18,400
mentions that there is a burial ground

2102
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:20,830
up on skinwalker Ridge on a ridge

2103
01:28:24,660 --> 01:28:22,239
overlooking the ranch in that which is

2104
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:24,670
where I'd say the majority of phenomena

2105
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:26,650
happens on that Ridge not necessarily on

2106
01:28:30,780 --> 01:28:28,210
the ranch property itself right in the

2107
01:28:33,330 --> 01:28:30,790
southern face of that Ridge that's yes

2108
01:28:35,790 --> 01:28:33,340
correct and he acknowledged that there's

2109
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:35,800
an ancient burial Indian burial ground

2110
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:39,280
up there so again that always ties into

2111
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,130
my theory that why the natives are

2112
01:28:47,130 --> 01:28:44,560
always involved in in this strangeness

2113
01:28:52,610 --> 01:28:47,140
that's occurring both on the ranch the

2114
01:28:55,260 --> 01:28:54,300
yeah

2115
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:55,270
you know just talking about these

2116
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:56,650
stories makes me want to reread my own

2117
01:29:04,170 --> 01:29:01,600
book I love it one story that it was

2118
01:29:05,970 --> 01:29:04,180
always fascinated me with data that was

2119
01:29:08,459 --> 01:29:05,980
told to me by a previous owner on the

2120
01:29:10,740 --> 01:29:08,469
ranch and again nothing has been said

2121
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:10,750
since the the original book came out on

2122
01:29:15,570 --> 01:29:12,250
skinwalker ranch from any of the

2123
01:29:18,330 --> 01:29:15,580
previous owners or you know I think this

2124
01:29:21,209 --> 01:29:18,340
is all new information it was told to me

2125
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:21,219
or related to me that that a ancient

2126
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:23,290
Indian was seen sometimes with the

2127
01:29:28,979 --> 01:29:26,650
phenomena and that's new one yeah yeah

2128
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:28,989
and and I've had I've had another party

2129
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:32,130
it was on the coast to coast

2130
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:35,010
radio show where they had a real

2131
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:36,570
traumatic experience that had happened

2132
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:37,890
to them at skinwalker ranch which is

2133
01:29:41,630 --> 01:29:39,450
also detailed in the book did you did

2134
01:29:44,540 --> 01:29:41,640
you happen to read that I I don't think

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I've gotten that far that case on the

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involved this ancient Indian that was

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leading these uh balls of light and this

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creature we're gonna see a black mass if

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we don't do this break right now a

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bigger black mask we have let me remind

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you're listening to the parrot rock

2264
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Ryan Skinner is answering your questions

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listeners he'll hang by a little bit

2266
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more he's author with DL Wallace of a

2267
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new book called skinwalker ranch no

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that's $2.99 believe it or not $2.99

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from Kindle from Amazon if you like it

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we also have God's Makai and Shane as I

2272
01:35:26,330 --> 01:35:24,270
said joining us Shane did you have any

2273
01:35:28,700 --> 01:35:26,340
questions you wanted to ask no I just

2274
01:35:32,180 --> 01:35:28,710
wanted to add that I think you guys are

2275
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:32,190
right that these portal areas in to

2276
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:37,890
expand and other regions so I just

2277
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:39,330
wanted to add I don't really have any

2278
01:35:44,419 --> 01:35:41,850
other questions I just wanted to mention

2279
01:35:47,689 --> 01:35:44,429
that there are other areas like it's

2280
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:47,699
yeah pretty pretty I'm sure that they

2281
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:50,880
want to keep the public eye from having

2282
01:35:55,340 --> 01:35:53,520
too many people looking around but I

2283
01:35:59,209 --> 01:35:55,350
don't think they can stop it you know I

2284
01:36:02,240 --> 01:35:59,219
mean there's there's a to many areas

2285
01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:02,250
that's argue like that let me ask you

2286
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:04,350
Ryan have you considered or are you so

2287
01:36:09,620 --> 01:36:06,810
involved in this area it's just not

2288
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:09,630
practical looking into other so-called

2289
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:12,330
window areas around the country around

2290
01:36:16,939 --> 01:36:14,449
the world to see how they compare

2291
01:36:18,410 --> 01:36:16,949
everything ties back into the book one

2292
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:18,420
of the most fascinating stories they

2293
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:20,250
have in the book and and you know I have

2294
01:36:23,330 --> 01:36:21,510
so many stories about skinwalker ranch

2295
01:36:27,260 --> 01:36:23,340
but everybody keeps asking me about a

2296
01:36:31,340 --> 01:36:27,270
story in at a Texas Airport in a Tyler

2297
01:36:32,510 --> 01:36:31,350
County and uh this guy contact contacted

2298
01:36:34,490 --> 01:36:32,520
me about a year ago and he's been

2299
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:34,500
sharing these these just unbelievable

2300
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:37,110
stories with me for the past twelve

2301
01:36:41,540 --> 01:36:40,080
months or so and the reason he contacted

2302
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:41,550
me is cuz he read the first book and he

2303
01:36:45,470 --> 01:36:44,159
he's heard about the things going on in

2304
01:36:47,180 --> 01:36:45,480
skinwalker and said I have the same

2305
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:47,190
thing happening out here except it's

2306
01:36:52,100 --> 01:36:49,920
it's to a level even even higher than

2307
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:52,110
what you may have had experienced at

2308
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:53,930
skinwalker and

2309
01:36:57,490 --> 01:36:55,850
I shared some of those stories and again

2310
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:57,500
above all the ones in that book and I

2311
01:37:01,660 --> 01:37:00,080
there's some real gems in there people

2312
01:37:04,150 --> 01:37:01,670
keep asking me more and more about his

2313
01:37:07,810 --> 01:37:04,160
story and I'm still in contact with him

2314
01:37:09,310 --> 01:37:07,820
today and this year I plan to maybe put

2315
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:09,320
the brakes a little bit on skinwalker

2316
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:11,090
I'm definitely going back out there but

2317
01:37:14,860 --> 01:37:12,530
I'm gonna spend some time going out to

2318
01:37:17,500 --> 01:37:14,870
Tyler County where I don't have to duck

2319
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:17,510
and hide and run from guards necessarily

2320
01:37:22,750 --> 01:37:20,090
er you know I can really immerse myself

2321
01:37:24,250 --> 01:37:22,760
and my equipment and spend some time out

2322
01:37:27,310 --> 01:37:24,260
there and document what's going on there

2323
01:37:28,750 --> 01:37:27,320
do you ever think here I earn that one

2324
01:37:31,210 --> 01:37:28,760
day you're gonna have to pay the piper

2325
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:31,220
here running and sneaking in and around

2326
01:37:37,630 --> 01:37:34,730
the skinwalker ranch the guards will say

2327
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:37,640
this is enough let's just arrest this

2328
01:37:42,850 --> 01:37:40,130
guy for trespassing send him to jail

2329
01:37:44,830 --> 01:37:42,860
awhile and or get rid of him and he

2330
01:37:48,940 --> 01:37:44,840
doesn't go on the ranch gene he learned

2331
01:37:50,980 --> 01:37:48,950
his lesson stir a while ago so if that's

2332
01:37:53,700 --> 01:37:50,990
what we never really clarified when he

2333
01:37:56,740 --> 01:37:53,710
went on the ranch and he was apparently

2334
01:38:00,190 --> 01:37:56,750
captured or caught no he didn't say he

2335
01:38:00,430 --> 01:38:00,200
did he said of someone that did all

2336
01:38:04,510 --> 01:38:00,440
right

2337
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:04,520
maybe a lot of things but one thing is

2338
01:38:08,740 --> 01:38:06,490
not is an idiot

2339
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:08,750
unfortunately that ranch is attracting a

2340
01:38:15,820 --> 01:38:13,270
lot of more shall we say amateurish

2341
01:38:18,490 --> 01:38:15,830
enthusiastic types that are going out

2342
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:18,500
there and not exercising discretion and

2343
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:21,290
caution not upset about our now our

2344
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:23,210
listeners will remember that earlier in

2345
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:25,370
the show you did say something Ryan

2346
01:38:30,910 --> 01:38:28,130
about being on that property alright I

2347
01:38:33,370 --> 01:38:30,920
won't press the issue for people who are

2348
01:38:35,740 --> 01:38:33,380
just really curious about this what

2349
01:38:37,810 --> 01:38:35,750
advice Ryan would you give them and

2350
01:38:43,450 --> 01:38:37,820
trying to learn more about what's going

2351
01:38:45,580 --> 01:38:43,460
on or just stay away yes Dale no not at

2352
01:38:48,220 --> 01:38:45,590
all there's enough literature out there

2353
01:38:50,650 --> 01:38:48,230
at this point I have my website which is

2354
01:38:52,990 --> 01:38:50,660
a repository for information anything

2355
01:38:55,480 --> 01:38:53,000
about skinwalker ranch or even even on

2356
01:38:58,090 --> 01:38:55,490
that topic in general there's book not

2357
01:38:59,530 --> 01:38:58,100
just my books there there's just a ton

2358
01:39:01,450 --> 01:38:59,540
of books that have have hit in the

2359
01:39:04,510 --> 01:39:01,460
market in the past seven years

2360
01:39:06,910 --> 01:39:04,520
you mentioned UFO Utah UFO display by

2361
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:06,920
Frank Salisbury the skinwalker ranch

2362
01:39:11,380 --> 01:39:07,730
book by

2363
01:39:13,780 --> 01:39:11,390
snap and : Kelleher just just read as

2364
01:39:15,850 --> 01:39:13,790
much as you can and then and when you've

2365
01:39:17,860 --> 01:39:15,860
had your fill and your imagination is

2366
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:17,870
you know you've painted that beautiful

2367
01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:19,520
picture in your head it's time to hit

2368
01:39:22,570 --> 01:39:20,870
the road you got to get out and it

2369
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:22,580
doesn't necessarily mean you have to go

2370
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:24,650
to skinwalker remember anywhere in that

2371
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,650
basin just my advice is just find that

2372
01:39:32,110 --> 01:39:29,840
find a lonely Mesa the loneliest one you

2373
01:39:33,790 --> 01:39:32,120
can see in the distance bring a tent

2374
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:33,800
bring an armchair and bring a beer and

2375
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:36,110
and start walk there go there by

2376
01:39:40,540 --> 01:39:37,489
yourself make sure it's after 8 o'clock

2377
01:39:42,370 --> 01:39:40,550
at night plop that chair down and buckle

2378
01:39:44,650 --> 01:39:42,380
in for the rider you may or may not have

2379
01:39:46,810 --> 01:39:44,660
well I've heard there's some incredible

2380
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:46,820
activity going on at the extreme

2381
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:49,850
southwestern corner of the ranch right

2382
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:52,730
where sago canyon starts goes off there

2383
01:39:57,610 --> 01:39:55,730
off the reservation down towards the

2384
01:39:59,410 --> 01:39:57,620
Green River that area has had an

2385
01:40:02,650 --> 01:39:59,420
incredible amount of activity and very

2386
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:02,660
little of it has been you know has been

2387
01:40:06,670 --> 01:40:04,880
mentioned outside of the locals there I

2388
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:06,680
mean how many people live in you know

2389
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:08,930
again the more wild the area in my

2390
01:40:14,410 --> 01:40:11,210
opinion the less people living out there

2391
01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:14,420
the more active potentially it could be

2392
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:15,710
you really just got to get away from

2393
01:40:21,220 --> 01:40:18,400
humanity a little bit society and

2394
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:21,230
immerse yourself in that desert yeah and

2395
01:40:26,979 --> 01:40:23,330
bring plenty of water forget the beer

2396
01:40:31,630 --> 01:40:26,989
bring the water beers always make you

2397
01:40:34,570 --> 01:40:31,640
thirsty R it's a liquid we don't want to

2398
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:34,580
get in trouble if we go on there or

2399
01:40:39,460 --> 01:40:35,690
maybe what we should do is we should

2400
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:39,470
have Maya sites set up a tour well Chris

2401
01:40:43,150 --> 01:40:41,930
they they don't go into this country

2402
01:40:44,410 --> 01:40:43,160
similar Saboteur

2403
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:44,420
if you're really if you're really

2404
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:45,920
itching to get out there I do have a

2405
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:47,600
recommendation and there's an

2406
01:40:50,830 --> 01:40:49,610
observation place for the South there's

2407
01:40:52,210 --> 01:40:50,840
maps on my website you can go to the

2408
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:52,220
South and you can see the ranch which is

2409
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:53,930
a quarter of a mile away you can

2410
01:40:57,820 --> 01:40:57,440
actually see it and somewhat on public

2411
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:57,830
land

2412
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:00,800
there or there's another viewing area

2413
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:03,770
from from the north east but me myself I

2414
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:05,360
mean if you're adventurous and really

2415
01:41:10,690 --> 01:41:08,690
want to experience it firsthand you got

2416
01:41:12,670 --> 01:41:10,700
a dirty your hands a little bit and to

2417
01:41:14,170 --> 01:41:12,680
the to the east of the ranch there's a

2418
01:41:16,180 --> 01:41:14,180
river there's a little creek that runs

2419
01:41:18,340 --> 01:41:16,190
to the east of the ranch walk up and

2420
01:41:21,099 --> 01:41:18,350
down that Creek again sometime at night

2421
01:41:23,529 --> 01:41:21,109
and you're on your honor

2422
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:23,539
well you might be on native lands make

2423
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:25,129
sure you get a permit at the local gas

2424
01:41:29,889 --> 01:41:27,530
station but that that's exactly where I

2425
01:41:32,139 --> 01:41:29,899
would be that or one of the mazes on top

2426
01:41:33,939 --> 01:41:32,149
of Randall app you do not need to

2427
01:41:35,409 --> 01:41:33,949
necessarily jump the fence and cross

2428
01:41:37,179 --> 01:41:35,419
that border and put yourself in a world

2429
01:41:38,979 --> 01:41:37,189
of pain by going to skinwalker you'll

2430
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:38,989
have the same chances in the same

2431
01:41:43,179 --> 01:41:41,449
encounters if not if not more you might

2432
01:41:46,929 --> 01:41:43,189
find an even hotter spot it's that whole

2433
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:46,939
region be safe be smart dog smack ah you

2434
01:41:51,729 --> 01:41:47,570
had a question

2435
01:41:53,679 --> 01:41:51,739
it'd be sanitary yeah Ryan hi Gog's here

2436
01:41:56,259 --> 01:41:53,689
I was just interested do you happen

2437
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:56,269
would you have happened to have heard

2438
01:42:03,609 --> 01:42:00,320
the location of the other supposed

2439
01:42:06,609 --> 01:42:03,619
portal areas that needs were interested

2440
01:42:09,819 --> 01:42:06,619
in around the same time that they were

2441
01:42:12,909 --> 01:42:09,829
interested there it's been rumored let's

2442
01:42:14,919 --> 01:42:12,919
see I can't remember his name Haas wrote

2443
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:14,929
a book called shards of the skinwalker

2444
01:42:20,770 --> 01:42:17,570
skinwalker shards where he mentions a

2445
01:42:23,589 --> 01:42:20,780
portal location on in Arizona on a

2446
01:42:27,879 --> 01:42:23,599
location called Satan's Butte which

2447
01:42:30,579 --> 01:42:27,889
happens to be I think it's longitude the

2448
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:30,589
longitude is the up and down exactly on

2449
01:42:38,459 --> 01:42:33,530
the line exactly south from from

2450
01:42:41,619 --> 01:42:38,469
skinwalker ran jeans bags were gone Jane

2451
01:42:44,290 --> 01:42:41,629
yeah Ryan mr. Shane are you are you

2452
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:44,300
talking about the one that's in Buckley

2453
01:42:49,029 --> 01:42:47,570
Arizona the horse ranch I think that

2454
01:42:50,919 --> 01:42:49,039
might be what you're talking about I

2455
01:42:52,929 --> 01:42:50,929
know the location you can look it up on

2456
01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:52,939
Google it's called Satan's Satan's Butte

2457
01:42:57,939 --> 01:42:55,129
and then you look on a map and it

2458
01:43:00,669 --> 01:42:57,949
happens to be exactly directly dead-end

2459
01:43:03,549 --> 01:43:00,679
to the south of a skinwalker and it's

2460
01:43:05,500 --> 01:43:03,559
still within that 4:4 region sorry four

2461
01:43:07,869 --> 01:43:05,510
corners region you know that was that

2462
01:43:10,029 --> 01:43:07,879
was walked upon and lived in by some of

2463
01:43:12,189 --> 01:43:10,039
these tribes these ancient tribes kind

2464
01:43:12,909 --> 01:43:12,199
of makes you think about ley lines and

2465
01:43:15,549 --> 01:43:12,919
things like that

2466
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:15,559
yeah in southern England you know there

2467
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:19,129
are so many ancient part of normal ance

2468
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:22,729
of religious sites that are along these

2469
01:43:28,689 --> 01:43:25,760
lines and obviously in the time since

2470
01:43:30,669 --> 01:43:28,699
ancient times modern churches and

2471
01:43:33,759 --> 01:43:30,679
what-have-you towns have been built

2472
01:43:34,050 --> 01:43:33,769
along these lines and I'm sure that was

2473
01:43:38,220 --> 01:43:34,060
there

2474
01:43:40,830 --> 01:43:38,230
a former pilots stroke engineer guy from

2475
01:43:43,260 --> 01:43:40,840
New Zealand who wrote a book about these

2476
01:43:46,530 --> 01:43:43,270
about an energy grid around the earth

2477
01:43:49,230 --> 01:43:46,540
and at the intersections of this kind of

2478
01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:49,240
grid that he come out with was places

2479
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:52,660
like the giza giza area and you know

2480
01:43:57,330 --> 01:43:54,880
whatever you just gotta wonder if if

2481
01:44:00,720 --> 01:43:57,340
these areas that the Uintah base and

2482
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:00,730
then south into other zona and if there

2483
01:44:07,260 --> 01:44:03,850
are these kind of lines of abnormality

2484
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:07,270
shall we call it that was me done I do

2485
01:44:11,930 --> 01:44:09,610
have some information this is Shane

2486
01:44:16,170 --> 01:44:11,940
again I do have some information that

2487
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:16,180
Bigelow was involved there was a guy who

2488
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:18,010
claimed and I don't know this could be

2489
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:23,250
all fiction a claim by a guy who is a

2490
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:27,010
psychological counselor he owns a ranch

2491
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:29,650
in Buckley Arizona I'm looking at the

2492
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:33,850
map right now that claim to actually and

2493
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:36,880
now this could be all simulation case

2494
01:44:42,330 --> 01:44:40,330
claims I actually kill something and I

2495
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:42,340
don't know if this is true or not but

2496
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:46,960
Bigelow was involved according to Derrel

2497
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:49,600
Sims and I think he talked butter on the

2498
01:44:56,580 --> 01:44:53,890
paragraph but that was over that's all

2499
01:44:59,070 --> 01:44:56,590
yeah is that the ranch that the military

2500
01:45:02,070 --> 01:44:59,080
bought up or something have you not been

2501
01:45:04,050 --> 01:45:02,080
to such a ranch in Arizona Chris will

2502
01:45:05,790 --> 01:45:04,060
answer that in our next segment Brian

2503
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:05,800
you want to stand over there portion or

2504
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:07,090
what Oh Mikey

2505
01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:09,280
yeah leave this is too intense okay

2506
01:45:13,170 --> 01:45:11,110
that's the story okay we have Ryan

2507
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:13,180
Skinner we're joined by Shane and

2508
01:45:22,010 --> 01:45:15,850
bygones makai much more to come with

2509
01:45:22,020 --> 01:45:26,720
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2528
01:46:11,790 --> 01:46:10,270
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2529
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2530
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[Applause]

2540
01:47:52,850 --> 01:47:48,520
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2541
01:48:01,470 --> 01:47:52,860
standard of paranormal radio and now

2542
01:48:03,900 --> 01:48:01,480
here's Jane Steinberg last four segments

2543
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:03,910
of our show Ryan's Skinner is joining us

2544
01:48:09,420 --> 01:48:06,690
with his newest book discussing

2545
01:48:11,730 --> 01:48:09,430
skinwalker ranch and the various legends

2546
01:48:16,530 --> 01:48:11,740
and facts around it we're joined by gags

2547
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:16,540
Makai and Rikki wah or Shane or the

2548
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:18,130
other ryan depending on your point of

2549
01:48:20,700 --> 01:48:18,570
view

2550
01:48:22,770 --> 01:48:20,710
mr. Skinner you have some further

2551
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:22,780
comments about what our friendly

2552
01:48:28,530 --> 01:48:25,330
listeners have commented upon like just

2553
01:48:30,330 --> 01:48:28,540
the Seaton Butte story Bigelow esteem

2554
01:48:34,020 --> 01:48:30,340
was directly involved in researching

2555
01:48:35,370 --> 01:48:34,030
that so that for whatever reason there's

2556
01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:35,380
a parallel or a correlation between

2557
01:48:38,610 --> 01:48:36,520
skinwalker ranch

2558
01:48:40,770 --> 01:48:38,620
Bigelow's team's fascination with that

2559
01:48:43,470 --> 01:48:40,780
and direct on-site research and this

2560
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:43,480
location which could potentially be a

2561
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:45,970
result of ley lines or or some other

2562
01:48:53,130 --> 01:48:49,600
unknown geological abnormality or

2563
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:53,140
commonality between the two but his team

2564
01:48:58,530 --> 01:48:56,770
was involved in that as well so that's

2565
01:49:01,080 --> 01:48:58,540
another portal and I have been to

2566
01:49:01,530 --> 01:49:01,090
Bradshaw ranch which I think it's a

2567
01:49:04,740 --> 01:49:01,540
Coggs

2568
01:49:07,470 --> 01:49:04,750
me folks yeah that's the one broad show

2569
01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:07,480
ranch yeah yeah I've been out there but

2570
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:09,790
a bit that's a fascinating property -

2571
01:49:14,580 --> 01:49:12,730
yeah maybe maybe something going on out

2572
01:49:16,140 --> 01:49:14,590
there and well I've had some counters

2573
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:16,150
out there but I don't know if it's

2574
01:49:23,010 --> 01:49:18,490
portal related or what it is you have

2575
01:49:25,770 --> 01:49:23,020
tell us more at Bradshaw sure well that

2576
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:25,780
team of researchers you know there's the

2577
01:49:28,410 --> 01:49:27,250
government bought up the properties as

2578
01:49:29,970 --> 01:49:28,420
fences all around it

2579
01:49:32,850 --> 01:49:29,980
no they appropriated it from the

2580
01:49:34,770 --> 01:49:32,860
bradshaw's they stole it basically right

2581
01:49:37,620 --> 01:49:34,780
oh they didn't buy it I guess yeah they

2582
01:49:40,260 --> 01:49:37,630
took it over I shouldn't admit to this

2583
01:49:44,700 --> 01:49:40,270
Hopf defense of course I had to spend

2584
01:49:47,700 --> 01:49:44,710
the night up there and I knew we have

2585
01:49:48,210 --> 01:49:47,710
that eventually if we asked enough I did

2586
01:49:52,020 --> 01:49:48,220
it too

2587
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:52,030
so yeah now if they know they'll comment

2588
01:49:56,970 --> 01:49:54,970
for both of you know I don't know if

2589
01:49:58,740 --> 01:49:56,980
that's as actively who knows that might

2590
01:50:01,530 --> 01:49:58,750
be more monitored than skinwalker hang

2591
01:50:02,970 --> 01:50:01,540
it really who knows spent the night out

2592
01:50:04,770 --> 01:50:02,980
there kind of camped out there's there's

2593
01:50:06,750 --> 01:50:04,780
like a little ancient ruins or something

2594
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:06,760
maybe it was a brick house or something

2595
01:50:10,020 --> 01:50:08,410
at one time but it's just ruins at this

2596
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:10,030
point is that they're overlooking the

2597
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:11,440
property from a look from a hill

2598
01:50:20,340 --> 01:50:15,610
neighboring hillside suddenly saw three

2599
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:20,350
glowing triangles in in the sky as if as

2600
01:50:25,290 --> 01:50:23,170
if like windows had turned on in some

2601
01:50:27,780 --> 01:50:25,300
invisible vehicle I don't know but it

2602
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:27,790
was just three glowing translucent

2603
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:30,960
triangles kind of above the the ranch I

2604
01:50:36,090 --> 01:50:33,520
found that to be that her happened

2605
01:50:38,190 --> 01:50:36,100
pretty early on in the night and yeah I

2606
01:50:40,980 --> 01:50:38,200
I've been out there 50 times probably

2607
01:50:42,270 --> 01:50:40,990
and I've been on that same Hill and hey

2608
01:50:45,330 --> 01:50:42,280
I've had some pretty interesting

2609
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:45,340
sightings there yeah there's something

2610
01:50:49,470 --> 01:50:47,290
to it yeah yeah there's definitely

2611
01:50:52,260 --> 01:50:49,480
something going on there I think the the

2612
01:50:55,260 --> 01:50:52,270
activity seems to have was kind of a

2613
01:50:57,450 --> 01:50:55,270
seeded a bunch since the mid to late 90s

2614
01:50:59,400 --> 01:50:57,460
but I'm looking at this map here of

2615
01:51:01,710 --> 01:50:59,410
Satan's butan that's right in the area

2616
01:51:04,770 --> 01:51:01,720
that I've heard constant rumors and

2617
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:04,780
stories of unusual activity that's out

2618
01:51:12,210 --> 01:51:09,250
near Indian Wells and Luke Arizona which

2619
01:51:14,910 --> 01:51:12,220
is on the Navajo Indian Reservation yeah

2620
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:14,920
Chris John Edmunds and he's public with

2621
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:17,170
his name there's a lot of controversy

2622
01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:21,090
around him but his horse ranch there

2623
01:51:27,300 --> 01:51:24,910
allegedly is very active for this kind

2624
01:51:30,300 --> 01:51:27,310
of activity and it's not very well

2625
01:51:32,700 --> 01:51:30,310
talked about but I'm sure everyone you

2626
01:51:36,150 --> 01:51:32,710
might have heard of it but the according

2627
01:51:41,150 --> 01:51:36,160
to him that it's very several people

2628
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:41,160
have actually experienced some very odd

2629
01:51:47,130 --> 01:51:44,290
experiences with it might lean in the

2630
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:47,140
direction of you know missing time that

2631
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:48,730
type of thing I don't know if this is

2632
01:51:53,850 --> 01:51:51,850
for walnut' but he's so freaked out that

2633
01:51:55,380 --> 01:51:53,860
I I do believe he's planning on moving

2634
01:52:00,270 --> 01:51:55,390
to Tennessee

2635
01:52:02,190 --> 01:52:00,280
but yeah it's on - till Road but by

2636
01:52:05,399 --> 01:52:02,200
Arizona there's quite a quite a

2637
01:52:08,580 --> 01:52:05,409
background to Hill Road T UT

2638
01:52:12,779 --> 01:52:08,590
bill Roe yeah you can get the address on

2639
01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:12,789
a Tuthill Road okay and that's John John

2640
01:52:22,890 --> 01:52:17,110
Edmonds Edmonds okay what do you buy me

2641
01:52:24,359 --> 01:52:22,900
when are you leaving sometime in the

2642
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:24,369
next couple days I'm gonna I'm gonna

2643
01:52:29,669 --> 01:52:27,760
head up there well we have to know about

2644
01:52:33,299 --> 01:52:29,679
this because what happens if you don't

2645
01:52:36,449 --> 01:52:33,309
return well the show doesn't air till

2646
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:36,459
Sunday so you could probably interview

2647
01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:38,169
him for the pair cast he's been on

2648
01:52:44,669 --> 01:52:40,169
himself for other shows he's he's a

2649
01:52:46,290 --> 01:52:44,679
psychological counselor and he seemed

2650
01:52:48,949 --> 01:52:46,300
like a pretty level-headed guy I don't

2651
01:52:52,290 --> 01:52:48,959
know about the plans of killing a

2652
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:52,300
six-foot tall grey alien and mopping up

2653
01:52:54,359 --> 01:52:54,159
the remains with Darryl Sims and Bigelow

2654
01:52:56,009 --> 01:52:54,369
I

2655
01:52:58,799 --> 01:52:56,019
you know there's pot diversity he sent

2656
01:53:01,319 --> 01:52:58,809
allegedly sent tissue samples to dr.

2657
01:53:03,209 --> 01:53:01,329
Levin good and Robert Collins got

2658
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:03,219
involved which kind of makes the whole

2659
01:53:06,839 --> 01:53:05,530
thing suspect but you never know I don't

2660
01:53:09,540 --> 01:53:06,849
know that's all I know

2661
01:53:12,659 --> 01:53:09,550
well this is also near the area in the

2662
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:12,669
late 90s where a little Navajo

2663
01:53:17,429 --> 01:53:15,010
grandmother claimed that ship came down

2664
01:53:19,649 --> 01:53:17,439
the beans came out they sat around the

2665
01:53:21,659 --> 01:53:19,659
campfire with her and it became a bit of

2666
01:53:24,929 --> 01:53:21,669
a pilgrimage site for the next few

2667
01:53:27,330 --> 01:53:24,939
months and the Navajo were trooping out

2668
01:53:30,569 --> 01:53:27,340
there and evidently it was a series of

2669
01:53:33,449 --> 01:53:30,579
sightings Tom dango looked into it

2670
01:53:36,089 --> 01:53:33,459
fairly extensively and actually bought

2671
01:53:38,939 --> 01:53:36,099
video equipment for a family that was

2672
01:53:41,159 --> 01:53:38,949
nearby hoping that they could go ahead

2673
01:53:43,229 --> 01:53:41,169
and monitor the location and when he

2674
01:53:49,069 --> 01:53:43,239
hadn't heard from them in a while he got

2675
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:53,640
so yeah it's it's tough investigating on

2676
01:53:58,589 --> 01:53:55,650
Indian reservations I'll be the first to

2677
01:54:00,359 --> 01:53:58,599
caution anyone who wants to go around

2678
01:54:02,279 --> 01:54:00,369
the Uintah Basin who wants to go around

2679
01:54:04,589 --> 01:54:02,289
the Navajo Reservation you have to have

2680
01:54:07,049 --> 01:54:04,599
permission to be out there that's a

2681
01:54:10,409 --> 01:54:07,059
sovereign country so you know be aware

2682
01:54:11,909 --> 01:54:10,419
you're not under the rules and laws of

2683
01:54:13,339 --> 01:54:11,919
the United States when you're on an

2684
01:54:16,350 --> 01:54:13,349
Indian Reservation they're their own

2685
01:54:18,420 --> 01:54:16,360
separate sovereign entity so you know be

2686
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:18,430
be careful be aware and

2687
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:21,250
cover your your tails and and and you

2688
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:24,010
know be prepared it sounds like when you

2689
01:54:30,300 --> 01:54:27,010
say that you mentioning something

2690
01:54:32,700 --> 01:54:30,310
related to this TV show about a Wyoming

2691
01:54:36,660 --> 01:54:32,710
lawman who goes into Indian grounds

2692
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:36,670
named Longmire never hear that show yeah

2693
01:54:40,980 --> 01:54:38,650
I have you have it it's great it was

2694
01:54:45,650 --> 01:54:40,990
written by a guy who lives in a town of

2695
01:54:48,510 --> 01:54:45,660
twenty five people so it's fascinating

2696
01:54:51,210 --> 01:54:48,520
crit Chris I had a question this is Ryan

2697
01:54:53,220 --> 01:54:51,220
Skinner please you'd mention you'd

2698
01:54:55,710 --> 01:54:53,230
mentioned earlier that you heard some

2699
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:55,720
new information about one of the guards

2700
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:57,850
that was killed on the ranch I haven't

2701
01:55:01,890 --> 01:54:59,920
heard anything since since that rumor of

2702
01:55:03,660 --> 01:55:01,900
the things spilled out of the portal and

2703
01:55:05,390 --> 01:55:03,670
fell into the guy's lap almost and he

2704
01:55:08,610 --> 01:55:05,400
pulled his gun out and started shooting

2705
01:55:11,220 --> 01:55:08,620
wildly and I guess he was killed as a

2706
01:55:12,750 --> 01:55:11,230
result but have you heard something new

2707
01:55:15,690 --> 01:55:12,760
on that topic and would you like to

2708
01:55:18,780 --> 01:55:15,700
share well no I've gotten excuse me

2709
01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:18,790
another local who didn't have an exact

2710
01:55:24,180 --> 01:55:21,520
time frame but again it was mid to late

2711
01:55:26,850 --> 01:55:24,190
summer 99 and they claimed they saw a

2712
01:55:30,060 --> 01:55:26,860
very unusual activity out there convoys

2713
01:55:33,210 --> 01:55:30,070
of SUVs flatbed truck with a something

2714
01:55:36,510 --> 01:55:33,220
on it that was under a tarp unusual

2715
01:55:39,690 --> 01:55:36,520
helicopter activity and these people

2716
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:39,700
were were kind of you know parked in the

2717
01:55:45,390 --> 01:55:43,360
dark overlooking the ranch trying to you

2718
01:55:46,620 --> 01:55:45,400
know I think they were to the east of

2719
01:55:49,580 --> 01:55:46,630
the ranch they were trying to ascertain

2720
01:55:53,250 --> 01:55:49,590
what was going on and one of the local

2721
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:53,260
you policemen caught sight of them and

2722
01:55:57,300 --> 01:55:55,090
came over and and and they knew the guy

2723
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:57,310
and he was really angry and so what are

2724
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,960
you doing here and they said well we're

2725
01:56:01,950 --> 01:56:00,400
just you know checking out what's going

2726
01:56:05,130 --> 01:56:01,960
on what's what's happening there and he

2727
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:05,140
said well one of the tribe committed

2728
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:08,410
suicide out there so you know I'm not

2729
01:56:15,510 --> 01:56:12,610
sure if it's related it's the same

2730
01:56:17,130 --> 01:56:15,520
approximate time period and it involves

2731
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:17,140
a death on the ranch which has been

2732
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:21,760
vehemently denied by all concerned with

2733
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:24,610
the big low crowd and I have never heard

2734
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:26,400
any of them

2735
01:56:31,580 --> 01:56:29,250
you know confirmed that a death occurred

2736
01:56:35,930 --> 01:56:31,590
out there and according to this you know

2737
01:56:39,620 --> 01:56:35,940
local police officer someone did die out

2738
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:39,630
there the amount of suicides and cancer

2739
01:56:44,530 --> 01:56:41,730
rates in the neighboring properties is

2740
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:44,540
just it's it's almost mind-blowing how

2741
01:56:48,439 --> 01:56:46,770
the number of those that have occurred

2742
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:48,449
I've talked to I stay in communication

2743
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:49,920
with some of the neighbors over the

2744
01:56:55,850 --> 01:56:53,760
years and I've heard of two suicides

2745
01:56:59,360 --> 01:56:55,860
I'm just the real close neighboring

2746
01:57:01,189 --> 01:56:59,370
properties and one of the one of the

2747
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:01,199
people that I knew really well died of

2748
01:57:06,620 --> 01:57:04,650
really horrific forms of cancer I mean

2749
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:06,630
he had multiple things that all happened

2750
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:09,210
to him at once and he told me he had a

2751
01:57:12,979 --> 01:57:11,520
he described a close encounter that he

2752
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:12,989
had one night while working on the field

2753
01:57:16,399 --> 01:57:14,010
next to the ranch

2754
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:16,409
hey we got to our break here but this

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brings up so many more problems are the

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four corners dangerous to your health

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I'm gonna ask that question on the other

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and gongs with gene and Chris you're in

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para cast calm Ryan Skinner is here talk

2850
02:02:06,700 --> 02:02:04,520
Bosley's book on skinwalker ranch two of

2851
02:02:09,610 --> 02:02:06,710
our listeners dogs and the other Ryan

2852
02:02:11,230 --> 02:02:09,620
whom we call Shane and will not try to

2853
02:02:13,120 --> 02:02:11,240
figure that out later but we do that we

2854
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:13,130
have multiple people with multiple names

2855
02:02:16,450 --> 02:02:15,920
and all that stuff but I'm gonna ask you

2856
02:02:19,990 --> 02:02:16,460
then

2857
02:02:22,300 --> 02:02:20,000
Ryan Skinner do you think that area has

2858
02:02:25,630 --> 02:02:22,310
something about it residual radiation

2859
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:25,640
whatever that may be dangerous to one's

2860
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:26,210
health

2861
02:02:30,010 --> 02:02:28,730
definitely this was discussed I think

2862
02:02:34,030 --> 02:02:30,020
last time I did an interview with you

2863
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:34,040
that the state of Utah's familiar with

2864
02:02:38,830 --> 02:02:36,770
there's an abnormal amount of ozone

2865
02:02:41,020 --> 02:02:38,840
that's occurring in the Uintah Basin and

2866
02:02:43,540 --> 02:02:41,030
I guess it's it's so high that it's I

2867
02:02:46,420 --> 02:02:43,550
think it's the second highest ozone

2868
02:02:48,580 --> 02:02:46,430
pollution or pollution rate in the

2869
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:48,590
entire world and it's occurring right in

2870
02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:51,170
the basin so I think they I heard they

2871
02:02:55,300 --> 02:02:53,330
just commissioned some sort of million

2872
02:02:58,030 --> 02:02:55,310
dolt e million dollar study to try to

2873
02:02:59,260 --> 02:02:58,040
find out why and nobody knows that would

2874
02:03:01,750 --> 02:02:59,270
be interesting to see whether that

2875
02:03:05,590 --> 02:03:01,760
characteristic can be measured in other

2876
02:03:07,810 --> 02:03:05,600
so-called window areas that might be

2877
02:03:10,390 --> 02:03:07,820
agreed indicate begood to check for that

2878
02:03:12,250 --> 02:03:10,400
correlation absolutely Chris do you feel

2879
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:12,260
the time you spent there has reduced

2880
02:03:16,570 --> 02:03:14,930
your life span no probably the time I've

2881
02:03:19,810 --> 02:03:16,580
spent on this show has reduced my life

2882
02:03:22,540 --> 02:03:19,820
span more but no I you know again I've

2883
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:22,550
only been there twice once was before

2884
02:03:26,710 --> 02:03:24,890
the story broke and once was on that

2885
02:03:30,040 --> 02:03:26,720
ill-fated journey that I accompanied

2886
02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:30,050
Ryan and the Jesse Ventura crew Ty

2887
02:03:36,700 --> 02:03:33,920
Ventura and Shawn stone and we did have

2888
02:03:39,130 --> 02:03:36,710
an interesting anomalous light siding

2889
02:03:40,930 --> 02:03:39,140
that there was no I mean it wasn't a big

2890
02:03:43,270 --> 02:03:40,940
deal for me it was for the the Hollywood

2891
02:03:46,060 --> 02:03:43,280
boys but and Ryan and I kind of were

2892
02:03:49,870 --> 02:03:46,070
chuckling about about them being all I

2893
02:03:50,710 --> 02:03:49,880
mean to me that was you know my common

2894
02:03:52,150 --> 02:03:50,720
occurrence out

2895
02:03:55,240 --> 02:03:52,160
you probably see that stuff almost every

2896
02:03:57,430 --> 02:03:55,250
night but but I don't think no I don't

2897
02:04:00,520 --> 02:03:57,440
feel any adverse health effects of being

2898
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:00,530
out there now being around dole see that

2899
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:03,890
now that's another area the dulce you

2900
02:04:07,600 --> 02:04:05,690
know Hickory Apache Indian Reservation

2901
02:04:11,250 --> 02:04:07,610
that has incredible amounts of

2902
02:04:14,470 --> 02:04:11,260
environmental radiation pollution from

2903
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:14,480
probably operation gas buggy which was

2904
02:04:20,170 --> 02:04:17,450
you know 27 Megaton bomb they blew up

2905
02:04:23,020 --> 02:04:20,180
4,000 feet below to free up gas and it

2906
02:04:24,940 --> 02:04:23,030
succeeded in polluting the water table

2907
02:04:26,650 --> 02:04:24,950
in the environment and the possibility

2908
02:04:28,420 --> 02:04:26,660
that there's some sort of buried nuclear

2909
02:04:30,940 --> 02:04:28,430
waste in the area that's being hidden

2910
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:30,950
with the myth of the Dulce alien base

2911
02:04:37,090 --> 02:04:34,850
and that I would feel more uncomfortable

2912
02:04:40,780 --> 02:04:37,100
spending any amount of time in that area

2913
02:04:43,780 --> 02:04:40,790
as opposed to to going out to the winter

2914
02:04:46,990 --> 02:04:43,790
Basin dogs you were mentioning in a

2915
02:04:48,730 --> 02:04:47,000
brief chat room message and there's a TV

2916
02:04:54,130 --> 02:04:48,740
show is this a British show called

2917
02:04:56,230 --> 02:04:54,140
Navajo cops no I I presume it's just you

2918
02:04:58,300 --> 02:04:56,240
know a British TV company if I bought it

2919
02:05:01,600 --> 02:04:58,310
from from the Americans but it's

2920
02:05:04,620 --> 02:05:01,610
following the Navajo cops that were and

2921
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:04,630
I think the Navajo Nation encompasses a

2922
02:05:12,370 --> 02:05:09,290
few states if I'm right they seem to be

2923
02:05:14,820 --> 02:05:12,380
be showing that the the cops will

2924
02:05:18,040 --> 02:05:14,830
investigate reports of paranormal

2925
02:05:19,900 --> 02:05:18,050
activity of any kind and they certainly

2926
02:05:21,220 --> 02:05:19,910
weren't trying to make fun of it or

2927
02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:21,230
anything and they're kind of

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02:05:25,930 --> 02:05:23,690
demonstrating that the the Navajo cops

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02:05:28,590 --> 02:05:25,940
take it seriously and in this one

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02:05:31,330 --> 02:05:28,600
episode they were looking for some

2931
02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:31,340
animal that they were calling a howler

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02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:34,250
that many people had reported and the

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02:05:38,620 --> 02:05:36,170
locals were saying you know it wasn't a

2934
02:05:40,660 --> 02:05:38,630
coyote it wasn't this it wasn't that and

2935
02:05:42,490 --> 02:05:40,670
they were out with night vision and all

2936
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:42,500
sorts looking for it they didn't and

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02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:44,450
nothing came of it but I'm just

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02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:48,610
wondering if like Ryan Ryan Skinner or

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02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:51,890
Chris maybe have heard of this animal

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02:05:56,260 --> 02:05:53,930
called a howler you know well of course

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02:05:59,110 --> 02:05:56,270
JC Johnson is plugged in with the Navajo

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02:06:00,640 --> 02:05:59,120
Rangers and in a lot of the law

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enforcement types and and people that

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live up in the northeast corner of the

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Navajo

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which is about a thirty thousand square

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mile reservation by the way it's the

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largest in the country based on

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02:06:13,660 --> 02:06:10,430
different types of descriptions have

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come out for hairy hominid types howler

2951
02:06:17,110 --> 02:06:15,350
is one of them I have heard that term

2952
02:06:20,620 --> 02:06:17,120
before it's not one that you hear very

2953
02:06:23,530 --> 02:06:20,630
often mostly it's a Bigfoot sasquatch

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02:06:25,060 --> 02:06:23,540
those types of terminologies I agree I

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02:06:27,310 --> 02:06:25,070
think it's just another they're just

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02:06:29,620 --> 02:06:27,320
using a different term for what may be a

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02:06:31,540 --> 02:06:29,630
Bigfoot sighting and I did see that

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02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:31,550
episode it was that was an extremely

2959
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:33,770
entertaining show that was a lot of fun

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02:06:38,260 --> 02:06:36,530
and it's just impressive how how the

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02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:38,270
law-enforcement agency on on a

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02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:41,170
reservation does take that topic

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02:06:46,150 --> 02:06:44,450
somewhat more seriously it's not a joke

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02:06:48,460 --> 02:06:46,160
to them it's something that they

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actively investigate yeah and also in

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that skinwalker shards book by a hoss

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that I was referring to the satans Butte

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02:06:58,290 --> 02:06:55,730
earlier the local native the Bureau of

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Indian Affairs the which are the Indian

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policemen were also actively

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investigating all the UFO landing cases

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02:07:07,870 --> 02:07:05,840
that were happening on that Butte which

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again you wouldn't see that with our

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02:07:12,010 --> 02:07:09,830
traditional police for Shan you had a

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question well I just wanted to make a

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02:07:18,510 --> 02:07:14,810
comment that I wonder how many attempts

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02:07:22,300 --> 02:07:18,520
there have been to throw us the

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researchers and the public off the track

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02:07:27,850 --> 02:07:24,800
the reason why I asked this is because

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one of the shows that the paragraphs did

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02:07:33,370 --> 02:07:30,310
with Nick Redfern which have been many

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02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:33,380
heat they're very interesting piece of

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02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:35,810
information came out of that show when

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he talked about well first of all the

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Broxton monster a case that Frank

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Luchino investigated which I've always

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had questions about I've never really

2988
02:07:55,690 --> 02:07:49,970
understood it but when Nick found a

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document by the RAND Corporation in 1952

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that they had attempted to stage or they

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put out this creature that was a robot

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but it was actually done by I think

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British intelligence in World War two

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tonight in Italy yeah so you know the we

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had one thing that we have

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aware of is these intelligence agencies

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are very tricky and deceitful and they

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do these things and it was in this

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instance it was RAND Corporation but I I

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believe that the Braxton County monster

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very well could be one of these

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psychological operations but I'm not

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saying that every case that's what

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happens but he makes you wonder with all

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these sightings of these strange

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creatures which ones are attempts to

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confuse the public and which ones are

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legitimate critical zoological like

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seeing what you're seeing is the the one

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that nekron was referring to the this

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the British military kind of experiment

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it was just almost identical to the

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later flatwoods encounter and if it can

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be done once it's very likely that it's

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been done you know again so I think

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you're you know completely right in that

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sometimes these things may indeed have a

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you know a more prosaic explanation but

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a very very you know kind of strange

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prosaic explanation in light being some

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kind of intelligence operation for

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whatever reason to gauge public opinion

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to throw people off the scent because we

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perfectly happy about UFO stories

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because it kept attention away from what

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they were probably really doing with

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their black project aircraft and such

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like so I think it definitely could

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translate into other kind of areas of

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in the more notoriety it gets the more

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attention it gets I think the higher the

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likelihood that they're gonna use that

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as some sort of psychological weapons

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so you're about to say and we had a stop

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for a break Chris O'Brien that this is

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all being done there's some kind of

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government experiment to gauge public

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responses no I'm not saying it's all

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being done to do that I'm saying that

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when a case gets the notoriety of a

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skinwalker ranch case or other areas in

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the country that have been targeted by

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investigators the more attention is put

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on it in the media I think the more the

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likelihood that the psychological

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operations folks get involved to try to

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have some fun and games and engage you

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know unwitting witnesses responses to

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various stimuli and it absolutely makes

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perfect sense to me that these would be

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perfect petri dishes for some sort of

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you know psychological operations

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gauging the effectiveness of

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psychological operations so they're

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using the real experiences the real

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events as kind of a stepping off point

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to do their own stuff exactly

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if they aren't doing that I would be

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very surprised ok well that leads to a

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larger question which is Chris how can

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you tell the real from the fake or the

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disinformation well that don't know

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that's that's that's a good question

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obviously having having some gear

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knowing how to operate it you know

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getting triangulated you know video

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having having metering equipment that

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might measure magnetic anomalies all

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sorts of things so it could be brought

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to bear on that situation to ascertain

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its how it's true

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the mundane or high strange nature I I

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mean I've seen the government do this in

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the San Luis Valley they through they

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flew threes of a c-130 once wingtip to

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sequencing down the the leading edge of

3188
02:16:49,010 --> 02:16:45,750
the wings of all three planes to make it

3189
02:16:50,960 --> 02:16:49,020
look like it was 300 feet I and if I

3190
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:50,970
hadn't been five miles away and stopped

3191
02:16:55,100 --> 02:16:53,010
my car and got out and heard the engines

3192
02:16:57,170 --> 02:16:55,110
and seeing the actual shapes of the

3193
02:16:59,630 --> 02:16:57,180
planes with night vision if I've been

3194
02:17:01,400 --> 02:16:59,640
just a few miles further away I would

3195
02:17:04,730 --> 02:17:01,410
have seen a huge 300-foot mothership

3196
02:17:06,890 --> 02:17:04,740
flyby so what sorry what do we think

3197
02:17:10,520 --> 02:17:06,900
that they you know the state of the art

3198
02:17:12,500 --> 02:17:10,530
of holographic projection might be just

3199
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:12,510
no because I keep self-healing rumors

3200
02:17:17,780 --> 02:17:14,850
about you know the military being able

3201
02:17:20,060 --> 02:17:17,790
to project this and not into the sky and

3202
02:17:24,020 --> 02:17:20,070
if they can do that they can almost kind

3203
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:24,030
of mimic any kind of UFO of exactly yeah

3204
02:17:26,740 --> 02:17:25,920
I haven't heard anything concrete Ryan

3205
02:17:29,480 --> 02:17:26,750
have you heard anything about

3206
02:17:31,520 --> 02:17:29,490
holographic projection technology I

3207
02:17:34,130 --> 02:17:31,530
haven't heard anything concrete of

3208
02:17:37,490 --> 02:17:34,140
course them at all it harkens back to

3209
02:17:40,100 --> 02:17:37,500
Serge mone asked in the mid 90s talking

3210
02:17:43,130 --> 02:17:40,110
about Project Blue Beam and and this

3211
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:43,140
huge sky you know sized hologram of

3212
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:46,800
Jesus talking to you by name and stuff I

3213
02:17:49,580 --> 02:17:48,450
mean they were talking about this stuff

3214
02:17:52,580 --> 02:17:49,590
over 20 years ago

3215
02:17:55,100 --> 02:17:52,590
so who knows with the computing power we

3216
02:17:57,200 --> 02:17:55,110
have you know increased knowledge of

3217
02:18:00,050 --> 02:17:57,210
light and how to utilize and and

3218
02:18:02,480 --> 02:18:00,060
manipulate light you know all bets are

3219
02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:02,490
off I think in many ways for a lot of

3220
02:18:06,530 --> 02:18:04,050
these sighting events and it would only

3221
02:18:09,080 --> 02:18:06,540
be triangulated footage that would

3222
02:18:11,510 --> 02:18:09,090
reveal whether something is holographic

3223
02:18:13,370 --> 02:18:11,520
in nature or a real physical

3224
02:18:15,950 --> 02:18:13,380
3-dimensional object well I've heard

3225
02:18:18,020 --> 02:18:15,960
that I really don't know what to make of

3226
02:18:20,270 --> 02:18:18,030
the whole kam trail thing but I've heard

3227
02:18:24,860 --> 02:18:20,280
that there you know things like silver

3228
02:18:27,620 --> 02:18:24,870
nitrate maybe I've been used in you know

3229
02:18:30,410 --> 02:18:27,630
cloud seeding there for you know rain

3230
02:18:33,490 --> 02:18:30,420
generation and such like but I imagine

3231
02:18:37,190 --> 02:18:33,500
there would be a way to kind of

3232
02:18:39,710 --> 02:18:37,200
dispersed in the atmosphere something

3233
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:39,720
that gives the atmosphere a little bit

3234
02:18:45,259 --> 02:18:43,050
more substance and using that

3235
02:18:49,190 --> 02:18:45,269
you would have something more solid to

3236
02:18:51,589 --> 02:18:49,200
project some hologram on I'm just yeah

3237
02:18:53,389 --> 02:18:51,599
top of my head here yeah yeah it's

3238
02:18:55,459 --> 02:18:53,399
silver iodide that they use for that but

3239
02:18:56,959 --> 02:18:55,469
but I'm the constituent elements barium

3240
02:18:59,509 --> 02:18:56,969
they're been metals that have been

3241
02:19:02,270 --> 02:18:59,519
detected and that would be a reflective

3242
02:19:04,480 --> 02:19:02,280
surface that that may be conducive for

3243
02:19:07,070 --> 02:19:04,490
that I saw though I saw a holographic

3244
02:19:10,250 --> 02:19:07,080
exhibition at the New York Museum of

3245
02:19:12,110 --> 02:19:10,260
holography it took them three you know

3246
02:19:14,480 --> 02:19:12,120
cancellations to get the proper cloud

3247
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:14,490
conditions but they they did holograms

3248
02:19:20,179 --> 02:19:17,040
on clouds above New York City so and

3249
02:19:22,219 --> 02:19:20,189
that was back in the 70s so who knows

3250
02:19:24,919 --> 02:19:22,229
how far the state of the art has gone

3251
02:19:27,889 --> 02:19:24,929
from then of course Don Ecker has a

3252
02:19:32,929 --> 02:19:27,899
story this quite funny and quite comical

3253
02:19:37,250 --> 02:19:32,939
first we all love a bomb maker of seeing

3254
02:19:41,450 --> 02:19:37,260
Wiley coyote outside of area 51 were

3255
02:19:43,610 --> 02:19:41,460
somebody and it turned out the whole

3256
02:19:45,290 --> 02:19:43,620
thing was a sham or somebody was just

3257
02:19:49,010 --> 02:19:45,300
playing it's a trickster element that's

3258
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:49,020
Christmas trickster oh yeah so not to

3259
02:19:52,610 --> 02:19:50,250
say that there aren't real [\h__\h]

3260
02:19:54,170 --> 02:19:52,620
logical creatures but it's just

3261
02:19:55,700 --> 02:19:54,180
something to be aware of I mean there

3262
02:19:58,010 --> 02:19:55,710
anybody in the audience to go take a

3263
02:20:00,860 --> 02:19:58,020
look at or listen to that show with the

3264
02:20:02,809 --> 02:20:00,870
Nicorette and he found a real important

3265
02:20:05,030 --> 02:20:02,819
piece of information yeah my Gretchen

3266
02:20:08,030 --> 02:20:05,040
his his latest book which is pretty good

3267
02:20:11,179 --> 02:20:08,040
too that's the book by the way Close

3268
02:20:13,010 --> 02:20:11,189
Encounters of the fatal kind and he's

3269
02:20:16,780 --> 02:20:13,020
going to be here next week to talk about

3270
02:20:20,330 --> 02:20:16,790
it about whether UFO researchers have

3271
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:20,340
suffered from early deaths or not know

3272
02:20:28,099 --> 02:20:25,050
great oh great I think he was thinking

3273
02:20:33,800 --> 02:20:28,109
of dr. James McDonald or MK Jessup and

3274
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:33,810
people like that there's been a few but

3275
02:20:41,059 --> 02:20:37,280
the best example was the what the 35

3276
02:20:44,750 --> 02:20:41,069
Marconi scientists in the early 80s in

3277
02:20:46,580 --> 02:20:44,760
the UK and it wasn't just a you know

3278
02:20:48,740 --> 02:20:46,590
that they were dying is some of the

3279
02:20:51,889 --> 02:20:48,750
manners the manner of the the the

3280
02:20:54,500 --> 02:20:51,899
suicides or purported suicides were you

3281
02:20:56,630 --> 02:20:54,510
know downright bizarre just a few of

3282
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:56,640
them is enough to make you think well

3283
02:20:59,960 --> 02:20:56,880
this

3284
02:21:02,120 --> 02:20:59,970
isn't you know a standard sample of the

3285
02:21:05,300 --> 02:21:02,130
population who end up committing suicide

3286
02:21:08,929 --> 02:21:05,310
I in fact I can't believe that you know

3287
02:21:12,620 --> 02:21:08,939
more isn't made of this to you know to

3288
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:12,630
think of you know the 35 people working

3289
02:21:16,990 --> 02:21:14,610
on the same kind of project for one

3290
02:21:20,300 --> 02:21:17,000
company and in a short period of time

3291
02:21:22,580 --> 02:21:20,310
they all kill themselves or die in

3292
02:21:24,110 --> 02:21:22,590
strange circumstances for all the

3293
02:21:27,469 --> 02:21:24,120
bankers that have been kicking off the

3294
02:21:28,910 --> 02:21:27,479
last three months themselves off because

3295
02:21:30,320 --> 02:21:28,920
they don't want to be arrested and

3296
02:21:32,810 --> 02:21:30,330
thrown in jail for the rest of their

3297
02:21:34,700 --> 02:21:32,820
lives yeah maybe I spent like The Wall

3298
02:21:38,090 --> 02:21:34,710
Street Crash when they were you know

3299
02:21:42,980 --> 02:21:38,100
jumping out of the windows in 29 or what

3300
02:21:45,550 --> 02:21:42,990
was the big right 1929 yeah well back to

3301
02:21:48,440 --> 02:21:45,560
Ryan what is on your plate now uh

3302
02:21:51,290 --> 02:21:48,450
obviously everyone should you know drop

3303
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:51,300
the 299 and get the kindle version in

3304
02:21:55,070 --> 02:21:52,800
your book I mean I recommend it highly

3305
02:21:58,850 --> 02:21:55,080
but what else is on your plate now

3306
02:22:01,340 --> 02:21:58,860
besides this Texas reports that that you

3307
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:01,350
mentioned earlier do you want to come

3308
02:22:05,510 --> 02:22:03,600
out to Arizona and do some tramping

3309
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:05,520
around out here I'd be more than happy

3310
02:22:12,260 --> 02:22:09,530
to to join you on that expedition I

3311
02:22:14,929 --> 02:22:12,270
definitely want to I'm gonna one second

3312
02:22:17,300 --> 02:22:14,939
I'm gonna take you up on that my life

3313
02:22:18,650 --> 02:22:17,310
has kind of taken a different turn it

3314
02:22:22,670 --> 02:22:18,660
seems like things kind of happen for a

3315
02:22:26,840 --> 02:22:22,680
reason I just recently got my CDL in

3316
02:22:29,929 --> 02:22:26,850
addition to all these other things now I

3317
02:22:31,850 --> 02:22:29,939
got my CDL and I also bought my own

3318
02:22:34,520 --> 02:22:31,860
truck and I planned to start

3319
02:22:36,860 --> 02:22:34,530
transversing America and I'm able to

3320
02:22:39,620 --> 02:22:36,870
take loads in and drop them off at any

3321
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:39,630
state in the United States at any time I

3322
02:22:43,850 --> 02:22:40,399
want

3323
02:22:46,100 --> 02:22:43,860
yeah yeah it's it's the perfect it's a

3324
02:22:47,690 --> 02:22:46,110
perfect job for me because I'll be able

3325
02:22:50,270 --> 02:22:47,700
to go to Arizona I'll be able to go to

3326
02:22:53,300 --> 02:22:50,280
Utah at a moment's notice and be paid to

3327
02:22:54,860 --> 02:22:53,310
to be there so yeah yeah all these years

3328
02:22:57,290 --> 02:22:54,870
it's been nothing but an expense to me

3329
02:23:01,040 --> 02:22:57,300
well in that case yeah you basically

3330
02:23:03,110 --> 02:23:01,050
take a load go to Arizona spend a few

3331
02:23:05,179 --> 02:23:03,120
days and you better grab something else

3332
02:23:07,940 --> 02:23:05,189
and go elsewhere assuming you survive

3333
02:23:09,660 --> 02:23:07,950
the trip as long as that you're exactly

3334
02:23:12,350 --> 02:23:09,670
where everyone had

3335
02:23:14,790 --> 02:23:12,360
- and in the end the location itself

3336
02:23:17,370 --> 02:23:14,800
surviving that well Shane mentioned

3337
02:23:22,250 --> 02:23:17,380
something in the message window you

3338
02:23:25,890 --> 02:23:22,260
might get abducted is that to me or I

3339
02:23:27,690 --> 02:23:25,900
mean we all may have been abducted I a

3340
02:23:29,820 --> 02:23:27,700
lot of the people I've interviewed don't

3341
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:29,830
even you know they suddenly wake up with

3342
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:32,080
their clothes on backwards or in a

3343
02:23:35,969 --> 02:23:34,240
strange location but one thing they

3344
02:23:37,320 --> 02:23:35,979
don't typically have unlike the Travis

3345
02:23:40,020 --> 02:23:37,330
Walton case is they don't have a memory

3346
02:23:42,410 --> 02:23:40,030
of what happened to them in term between

3347
02:23:45,450 --> 02:23:42,420
the abduction and where they ended up

3348
02:23:48,210 --> 02:23:45,460
so who knows maybe it's happened to us

3349
02:23:50,250 --> 02:23:48,220
all all of us here so basically we've

3350
02:23:52,380 --> 02:23:50,260
all been abducted we'll all have to

3351
02:23:54,719 --> 02:23:52,390
submit ourselves to hypnotic regression

3352
02:23:56,700 --> 02:23:54,729
and find out about those experiences

3353
02:23:58,410 --> 02:23:56,710
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02:24:01,740 --> 02:23:58,420
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3356
02:24:06,900 --> 02:24:04,780
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3357
02:24:09,780 --> 02:24:06,910
regard to the documents he's talked

3358
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:09,790
about Ryan Skinner with DL Wallace DL

3359
02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:12,160
Wallace being the skeptical kind of

3360
02:24:19,860 --> 02:24:16,930
person morta con with Ryan and Shane and

3361
02:24:25,979 --> 02:24:19,870
gods and Jean and Kris you're in the

3362
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3369
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by intense dreams about a beautiful

3370
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3371
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terrible battle in outer space but the

3372
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dreams turn out to be true and thrust

3373
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3374
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3375
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3404
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3405
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3406
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3450
02:28:21,019 --> 02:28:14,489
you all you need to do is call this

3451
02:28:27,139 --> 02:28:21,029
number 855 308 8 3 2 6 again all you

3452
02:28:28,969 --> 02:28:27,149
want to do is call 855 308 8 3 2 6 you

3453
02:28:31,460 --> 02:28:28,979
can make a tremendous amount of money

3454
02:28:34,200 --> 02:28:31,470
and end up biting for a great cause

3455
02:28:45,190 --> 02:28:34,210
please call us right now

3456
02:28:47,780 --> 02:28:45,200
[Music]

3457
02:28:56,660 --> 02:28:47,790
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

3458
02:29:02,370 --> 02:29:00,090
and maybe the CIA we used to have a joke

3459
02:29:05,219 --> 02:29:02,380
at the early days of the para cast Chris

3460
02:29:08,069 --> 02:29:05,229
before you were involved where we

3461
02:29:12,840 --> 02:29:08,079
wondered who in the forum's might be the

3462
02:29:14,489 --> 02:29:12,850
CIA or generic government plant well if

3463
02:29:17,370 --> 02:29:14,499
they're interested enough to be foreign

3464
02:29:18,929 --> 02:29:17,380
members and a monitor us then more power

3465
02:29:21,179 --> 02:29:18,939
to them they're a little bit more on the

3466
02:29:22,859 --> 02:29:21,189
ball than I figured that they'd be well

3467
02:29:26,370 --> 02:29:22,869
we have some wacky people in the forms

3468
02:29:27,989 --> 02:29:26,380
not the true gentlemen here Shane or Cox

3469
02:29:29,099 --> 02:29:27,999
but you know what I'm talking about

3470
02:29:31,050 --> 02:29:29,109
you get over there and you get some

3471
02:29:33,420 --> 02:29:31,060
pretty wacky people and by the way Ryan

3472
02:29:35,910 --> 02:29:33,430
has been involved in the forums too and

3473
02:29:38,939 --> 02:29:35,920
he still comes back for more abuse yeah

3474
02:29:41,130 --> 02:29:38,949
and Ryan has also had his own skinwalker

3475
02:29:44,099 --> 02:29:41,140
ranch for him for years now and boy talk

3476
02:29:46,380 --> 02:29:44,109
about suffering abuse my god some of the

3477
02:29:48,210 --> 02:29:46,390
stories I remember from a few years ago

3478
02:29:51,599 --> 02:29:48,220
that what was happening on that site

3479
02:29:54,540 --> 02:29:51,609
yeah it's more about it Ryan we've had a

3480
02:29:56,069 --> 02:29:54,550
lot of I had people possibly working for

3481
02:29:58,889 --> 02:29:56,079
Bigelow that would post things on the

3482
02:30:02,130 --> 02:29:58,899
website so and I've been able to call

3483
02:30:04,019 --> 02:30:02,140
him out and what would they post what

3484
02:30:06,779 --> 02:30:04,029
gave you an indication they might be

3485
02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:06,789
Bigelow plants I just can't think of a

3486
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:09,850
specific there was one recently where I

3487
02:30:17,399 --> 02:30:11,770
identified another location and kale

3488
02:30:19,649 --> 02:30:17,409
Colorado there was a I said are Poe I

3489
02:30:21,210 --> 02:30:19,659
can't remember that old investigative it

3490
02:30:24,149 --> 02:30:21,220
was like move on before move half oh

3491
02:30:27,569 --> 02:30:24,159
yeah Pro yes yeah yeah they did an

3492
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:27,579
investigation in Colorado and a lot of

3493
02:30:32,399 --> 02:30:29,050
similarities between skinwalker ranch

3494
02:30:35,160 --> 02:30:32,409
with scene entities hearing hearing

3495
02:30:39,929 --> 02:30:35,170
these strange voices speaking robotic

3496
02:30:42,599 --> 02:30:39,939
voices was Leo sprinkle and sprinkle

3497
02:30:43,859 --> 02:30:42,609
involved in that yes yes that's my

3498
02:30:45,719 --> 02:30:43,869
understanding from speaking of other

3499
02:30:48,239 --> 02:30:45,729
investigators but but I identified the

3500
02:30:50,460 --> 02:30:48,249
location and I posted the coordinates

3501
02:30:54,420 --> 02:30:50,470
and someone suddenly popped on the forum

3502
02:30:55,889 --> 02:30:54,430
and you just said some strange things

3503
02:30:57,660 --> 02:30:55,899
that I didn't know what I was talking

3504
02:31:00,029 --> 02:30:57,670
about the location was all wrong and I

3505
02:31:03,029 --> 02:31:00,039
was able to actually back it up and and

3506
02:31:04,620 --> 02:31:03,039
sure this is the spot they just made a

3507
02:31:06,149 --> 02:31:04,630
lot of statements that couldn't that

3508
02:31:06,889 --> 02:31:06,159
weren't verified and we called him out

3509
02:31:09,689 --> 02:31:06,899
on it

3510
02:31:10,139 --> 02:31:09,699
she to the point where why would someone

3511
02:31:14,909 --> 02:31:10,149
take the

3512
02:31:17,609 --> 02:31:14,919
time to to be so defensive about a

3513
02:31:20,340 --> 02:31:17,619
supposed location for this this event

3514
02:31:21,899 --> 02:31:20,350
anyway it just it struck me as odd and

3515
02:31:24,510 --> 02:31:21,909
and a lot of that has happened over the

3516
02:31:26,489 --> 02:31:24,520
years where well not to mention denial

3517
02:31:28,679 --> 02:31:26,499
of service and the hackers and all the

3518
02:31:31,710 --> 02:31:28,689
other yeah that's it makes you wonder

3519
02:31:33,269 --> 02:31:31,720
how many trolls how many trolls actually

3520
02:31:36,449 --> 02:31:33,279
exist I think we've reached critical

3521
02:31:37,979 --> 02:31:36,459
mass with the evident trolls really

3522
02:31:41,010 --> 02:31:37,989
wasn't trolling though it was somebody

3523
02:31:44,429 --> 02:31:41,020
purposely trying to get it off track to

3524
02:31:46,290 --> 02:31:44,439
get attention off of the exact okay you

3525
02:31:48,179 --> 02:31:46,300
know one of my claims to fame isn't that

3526
02:31:49,949 --> 02:31:48,189
I was the first one in the ranch I Chris

3527
02:31:51,599 --> 02:31:49,959
knows this I was hot I came in late in

3528
02:31:55,139 --> 02:31:51,609
the game but I'm one of the first people

3529
02:31:56,790 --> 02:31:55,149
to really get it out there the location

3530
02:31:59,159 --> 02:31:56,800
itself and how to find the ranch and

3531
02:32:00,569 --> 02:31:59,169
then where to position yourself around

3532
02:32:03,929 --> 02:32:00,579
the ranch if you're gonna look out there

3533
02:32:06,210 --> 02:32:03,939
and uh I I kind of did the same thing

3534
02:32:08,340 --> 02:32:06,220
with this Colorado property which which

3535
02:32:10,769 --> 02:32:08,350
no one no one's known about ever since

3536
02:32:15,269 --> 02:32:10,779
the story came out he struck a nerve

3537
02:32:17,309 --> 02:32:15,279
obviously yeah right now you talk about

3538
02:32:19,710 --> 02:32:17,319
the Clearview case with the the saucer

3539
02:32:22,189 --> 02:32:19,720
and the Bigfoot and all that the one

3540
02:32:26,550 --> 02:32:22,199
from 79 the Leo Leo sprinkle

3541
02:32:28,319 --> 02:32:26,560
investigated yeah next is the case no

3542
02:32:31,979 --> 02:32:28,329
and was that near the Air Force Academy

3543
02:32:37,979 --> 02:32:31,989
where is that I never knew the actual

3544
02:32:40,050 --> 02:32:37,989
location that's all that's all the

3545
02:32:43,109 --> 02:32:40,060
information we had it's a it's a

3546
02:32:45,210 --> 02:32:43,119
decommissioned it's not even a military

3547
02:32:50,250 --> 02:32:45,220
base it's a decommissioned what is it

3548
02:32:54,059 --> 02:32:50,260
class something nuclear silo so there's

3549
02:32:56,609 --> 02:32:54,069
actually a base underground so we're in

3550
02:32:57,960 --> 02:32:56,619
Colorado was it I have the exact

3551
02:33:00,179 --> 02:32:57,970
coordinates on the site I don't remember

3552
02:33:01,529 --> 02:33:00,189
okay yeah I'd love to get that

3553
02:33:04,219 --> 02:33:01,539
information I've always been interested

3554
02:33:06,809 --> 02:33:04,229
in that case yeah Gina we're the ones

3555
02:33:09,239 --> 02:33:06,819
Gina I'd like to say thanks for having

3556
02:33:11,939 --> 02:33:09,249
me on in your listener I've listened to

3557
02:33:14,550 --> 02:33:11,949
the paragraphs since the very beginnings

3558
02:33:17,489 --> 02:33:14,560
when some of the first guests you took

3559
02:33:20,849 --> 02:33:17,499
the task and I remember you know dr.

3560
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:20,859
Bruce Goldberg and Bill now and all the

3561
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:24,090
frauds that were exposed thanks

3562
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:27,090
oh you one of the first original podcast

3563
02:33:32,780 --> 02:33:30,090
out there and now everybody and their

3564
02:33:34,630 --> 02:33:32,790
grandma has a podcast but I think people

3565
02:33:38,780 --> 02:33:34,640
should take a look at the archives and

3566
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:38,790
I'm just thank for having me on finally

3567
02:33:42,980 --> 02:33:41,130
being able to demonstrate yes do you

3568
02:33:44,750 --> 02:33:42,990
know what's really great it's just as

3569
02:33:47,420 --> 02:33:44,760
everyone's been saying in the forums

3570
02:33:50,030 --> 02:33:47,430
this this last run of the podcast is

3571
02:33:52,910 --> 02:33:50,040
equal to anything it's ever done in the

3572
02:33:55,400 --> 02:33:52,920
past it's just been brilliant we've had

3573
02:33:58,580 --> 02:33:55,410
guests after guests lots of great

3574
02:34:01,280 --> 02:33:58,590
information and it's you know it's

3575
02:34:03,469 --> 02:34:01,290
really coasting just now in the best

3576
02:34:06,620 --> 02:34:03,479
possible way I'm just loving all the

3577
02:34:08,599 --> 02:34:06,630
episodes just now well this one you got

3578
02:34:12,740 --> 02:34:08,609
to participate in so you can make this

3579
02:34:15,620 --> 02:34:12,750
the best episode of all yeah well we've

3580
02:34:17,450 --> 02:34:15,630
been we've been accused of many things

3581
02:34:20,210 --> 02:34:17,460
but one thing you can't argue is that

3582
02:34:23,090 --> 02:34:20,220
cream rises to the top and we do we do

3583
02:34:24,770 --> 02:34:23,100
tend to attract and are able to get

3584
02:34:27,080 --> 02:34:24,780
people like Ryan on who's not going to

3585
02:34:29,870 --> 02:34:27,090
be doing radio shows about this book

3586
02:34:31,880 --> 02:34:29,880
he's nice told me he's he's doing this

3587
02:34:34,219 --> 02:34:31,890
as a favor actually to be on the show

3588
02:34:36,020 --> 02:34:34,229
and talk about the book by the way he

3589
02:34:38,420 --> 02:34:36,030
said he'd only do half the show but he's

3590
02:34:41,900 --> 02:34:38,430
here for all of it yeah so we stopped

3591
02:34:44,110 --> 02:34:41,910
him in you know we did some very careful

3592
02:34:46,969 --> 02:34:44,120
White Way

3593
02:34:51,020 --> 02:34:46,979
it's just such a fascinating topic that

3594
02:34:52,730 --> 02:34:51,030
I don't know the way you presented no I

3595
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:52,740
got to be a part of it

3596
02:34:57,170 --> 02:34:54,810
thank you and thank you for asking me

3597
02:34:59,120 --> 02:34:57,180
you have to be welcome any time I kind

3598
02:35:00,740 --> 02:34:59,130
of get it get it out there and I'd like

3599
02:35:02,270 --> 02:35:00,750
to do a little bit of field work with

3600
02:35:03,980 --> 02:35:02,280
you too I think that would be a lot of

3601
02:35:05,690 --> 02:35:03,990
fun I've got a portal spot in the San

3602
02:35:07,310 --> 02:35:05,700
Luis Valley I've been keeping under

3603
02:35:09,620 --> 02:35:07,320
wraps for years I've shared it with a

3604
02:35:11,030 --> 02:35:09,630
few people but man I would sure love to

3605
02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:11,040
go out there and camp there for a few

3606
02:35:15,440 --> 02:35:13,290
days yeah yeah Chris I'm not kidding

3607
02:35:17,480 --> 02:35:15,450
about that that a recent job that I have

3608
02:35:19,460 --> 02:35:17,490
to say I'm taken and the opportunities

3609
02:35:21,020 --> 02:35:19,470
that it'll if the reality is it's not

3610
02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:21,030
work for me I'm gonna be able to travel

3611
02:35:25,340 --> 02:35:23,370
all these hotspots on a moment's notice

3612
02:35:28,310 --> 02:35:25,350
and yeah that's excellent yeah just get

3613
02:35:30,860 --> 02:35:28,320
a load by just get loads to the

3614
02:35:32,420 --> 02:35:30,870
locations that you want to be near all

3615
02:35:34,010 --> 02:35:32,430
set up already so that's what I'll be

3616
02:35:35,660 --> 02:35:34,020
doing all summer and hopefully

3617
02:35:37,040 --> 02:35:35,670
collecting a lot of stories and I can't

3618
02:35:37,580 --> 02:35:37,050
wait to meet you know meet up with you

3619
02:35:41,469 --> 02:35:37,590
again and

3620
02:35:44,960 --> 02:35:41,479
check out some spots so Chris this Sam

3621
02:35:47,750 --> 02:35:44,970
possible portal area and their San Luis

3622
02:35:50,060 --> 02:35:47,760
Valley obviously I wanted to keep the

3623
02:35:52,490 --> 02:35:50,070
location secret but can you maybe tell

3624
02:35:54,590 --> 02:35:52,500
us anything that's reported to have

3625
02:35:56,929 --> 02:35:54,600
happened there that's kind of got you

3626
02:35:57,590 --> 02:35:56,939
interested he's only got a minute or two

3627
02:35:59,540 --> 02:35:57,600
the answer

3628
02:36:01,330 --> 02:35:59,550
yeah rosemary ellen guiley and I went

3629
02:36:05,389 --> 02:36:01,340
out there three years ago and we were

3630
02:36:09,460 --> 02:36:05,399
accosted you know we had these very

3631
02:36:12,290 --> 02:36:09,470
barely transparent just kind of subtle

3632
02:36:14,780 --> 02:36:12,300
forms that that surrounded us there and

3633
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:14,790
normally when I go into the area I I sit

3634
02:36:18,920 --> 02:36:17,850
for a while I clear my mind I enter it

3635
02:36:20,870 --> 02:36:18,930
very very gingerly

3636
02:36:23,690 --> 02:36:20,880
I don't just burst in like a bull in a

3637
02:36:26,179 --> 02:36:23,700
china shop which I did that night and we

3638
02:36:27,469 --> 02:36:26,189
had some real validation just a few

3639
02:36:30,650 --> 02:36:27,479
minutes later when we were back at the

3640
02:36:33,110 --> 02:36:30,660
house that you know my hunch was correct

3641
02:36:34,730 --> 02:36:33,120
I don't have enough time to go into all

3642
02:36:36,679 --> 02:36:34,740
the stuff that's going on around it but

3643
02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:36,689
I've been able to ID where it seems to

3644
02:36:40,370 --> 02:36:37,770
all be coming from and it's a

3645
02:36:41,960 --> 02:36:40,380
hundred-yard circle oh boy we'll have to

3646
02:36:43,670 --> 02:36:41,970
do a whole show just about that

3647
02:36:45,290 --> 02:36:43,680
Ryan Skinner we're just about running

3648
02:36:47,450 --> 02:36:45,300
out of time can you tell our listeners

3649
02:36:49,400 --> 02:36:47,460
if they want to know more about the work

3650
02:36:51,429 --> 02:36:49,410
you're doing word they can check you out

3651
02:36:54,740 --> 02:36:51,439
I think check me out at skinwalker ranch

3652
02:36:58,340 --> 02:36:54,750
Eskie inw al keer ranch

3653
02:37:00,230 --> 02:36:58,350
org or com I recently of course just

3654
02:37:02,450 --> 02:37:00,240
published the book skinwalker ranch no

3655
02:37:04,400 --> 02:37:02,460
trespassing the really the reason is

3656
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:04,410
it's $2.99 is that's extremely

3657
02:37:07,639 --> 02:37:06,090
undervalued in my opinion for the

3658
02:37:09,800 --> 02:37:07,649
content that you can't get in there I'm

3659
02:37:11,780 --> 02:37:09,810
not doing this it might look like it's

3660
02:37:13,160 --> 02:37:11,790
just for a profit I I saw this as the

3661
02:37:15,230 --> 02:37:13,170
most viable means to get that

3662
02:37:17,510 --> 02:37:15,240
information out there I just really want

3663
02:37:19,490 --> 02:37:17,520
to saturate the market to uh to what's

3664
02:37:21,230 --> 02:37:19,500
going on and it there's some information

3665
02:37:23,330 --> 02:37:21,240
in that book that's never been presented

3666
02:37:26,210 --> 02:37:23,340
to anybody else and it gives some

3667
02:37:28,639 --> 02:37:26,220
insight into skin excuse me Bigelow and

3668
02:37:30,980 --> 02:37:28,649
his team's mindset in regards to the

3669
02:37:34,310 --> 02:37:30,990
ranch and other paranormal cases we also

3670
02:37:36,830 --> 02:37:34,320
had joining us scoggs Makai and Shane

3671
02:37:39,560 --> 02:37:36,840
sometimes known as Ricky Juan or forums

3672
02:37:42,410 --> 02:37:39,570
but his name is also Ryan and we had him

3673
02:37:44,929 --> 02:37:42,420
uses middle name just to avoid any

3674
02:37:48,469 --> 02:37:44,939
problems with that Chris O'Brien has our

3675
02:37:50,570 --> 02:37:48,479
strange planet calm our strange planet

3676
02:37:51,051 --> 02:37:50,580
calm his current book is stalking the

3677
02:37:53,720 --> 02:37:51,061
herd

3678
02:37:56,390 --> 02:37:53,730
if you buy the book directly from his

3679
02:37:59,240 --> 02:37:56,400
site Amazon doesn't take their humongous

3680
02:38:03,230 --> 02:37:59,250
profit so it helps Chris and also Chris

3681
02:38:05,301 --> 02:38:03,240
signs and numbers every single book you

3682
02:38:07,730 --> 02:38:05,311
can find us on Twitter where we are

3683
02:38:11,091 --> 02:38:07,740
known as the para cast look for the para

3684
02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:11,101
cast on Twitter there are also two para

3685
02:38:15,890 --> 02:38:13,290
cast fan clubs because we couldn't have

3686
02:38:18,381 --> 02:38:15,900
just one on Facebook we haven't figured

3687
02:38:21,290 --> 02:38:18,391
out how that worked yet but there it

3688
02:38:23,390 --> 02:38:21,300
does or go to the para cast comm check

3689
02:38:28,011 --> 02:38:23,400
out every single episode of the show

3690
02:38:30,801 --> 02:38:28,021
since 2006 available for download so we

3691
02:38:34,341 --> 02:38:30,811
appreciate God's Makai old friend for

3692
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:34,351
joining us scoggs thank you cheers Gina

3693
02:38:39,921 --> 02:38:37,200
what is great show Shane thank you for

3694
02:38:41,780 --> 02:38:39,931
participating Thank You Ven nice to

3695
02:38:43,310 --> 02:38:41,790
finally be on play and Ryan Skinner

3696
02:38:53,490 --> 02:38:43,320
thank you for joining us on the power

3697
02:38:59,950 --> 02:38:57,011
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3698
02:39:02,940 --> 02:38:59,960
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3699
02:39:06,671 --> 02:39:02,950
presentation of making the impossible

3700
02:39:11,210 --> 02:39:06,681
Incorporated tune in next week for a new

3701
02:39:12,530 --> 02:39:11,220
adventure in the para cast